imports vs domestic

[c-towNsawedOFF]

sorry for all you "mustang" fans, but imports pwn. no i am not a "ricer".....i understand mustangs and such are quick, but they are to easy to hook up. i mean, put headers back exhaust and an intake, +50hp?!?!!

imports are alittle more challenging and fun to mess with. i kno i kno, fwd prelude is my thing, and i will never see even 400 whp out of it, makes it that much more sweet when i get my car done.

so you camaro's and firebirds stop trying to race me?!?!

ooo yea, the poll, imports or domestic?

[seeking]

Keep this convo civial y'all, i'll be watching it closely

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Im a import guy myself, more specifically a euro guy. I still like domestics though for the very reason you stated...they are fairly easy to get gains out of. I just dont like american styling to be honest.

anyway i voted import

[Hell-Sent]

I really never picked a side... I drive an import that has a domestic brother, and my favorite car is a domestic ('Vette). As long as a car looks, feels, and drives good, I'm pretty much set...

[Krayzie7th]

I'm a domestic guy i own a 94z28 my goal is to get in the 9's and for me the quickest n cheaper route is with a v8 and i also like the feel of the torque when taking off.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

hmmm, like i said, i will be lucky if i get my fwd car in the 12's, but i like a challenge hehe

[C-Note]

Domestic all the way son

[Mr Burns]

I'm a domestic guy all the way. Right now I have an 05 Monte Carlo SS. The thing I like about domestics is there individual style. For example you can't mistake a monte carlo for anything else on the road up close or from far. Imports, mostly Japanese all look alike to me. Eurpean cars are better about creating unique style, but are generally to expensive, and cost a lot to fix. Thats why to me you can't go wrong with a Chevy or Ford. I will admit though that for a long time the Japs had the domestics beat when it came to reliablity, but I am very mechanically inclined so that never really bothered me, plus its cheap(er) to fix a domestic.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

I'm a domestic guy all the way. Right now I have an 05 Monte Carlo SS. The thing I like about domestics is there individual style. For example you can't mistake a monte carlo for anything else on the road up close or from far. Imports, mostly Japanese all look alike to me. Eurpean cars are better about creating unique style, but are generally to expensive, and cost a lot to fix. Thats why to me you can't go wrong with a Chevy or Ford. I will admit though that for a long time the Japs had the domestics beat when it came to reliablity, but I am very mechanically inclined so that never really bothered me, plus its cheap(er) to fix a domestic.


wo wo wo, all imports (jap.) look the same??!?!? i take offense to this, because its crazy. mostly if you look at all cars from certain era's, they have the same styles. ex. nissan came out with 240sx.....ford copied in 94??? with a ford probe.
eclipse (which i hate) copied with an eagle talon
i can go on and on about these....but its kinda universal. but ofcorse the same company has models that look the same, same designers

[Mr Burns]

^I didn't like the Probe for exactly that reason. The Talon wasn't a copy of the eclipse. It was an eclipse. I'm not trying to be offensive here. That is just my opinion. But what makes a Lexus different from a Toyota? There models almost look the same. Infiniti and Nissian do the same thing. Now lets look at Cadillac. What other GM car looks like a CTS? Nothing. Or what Buick model looks just like a Chevrolet. None of them do. At least not recently. It seems like especially over the last ten years the domestic brands have gotten better at making each model distinctive while the imports have gotten worse(or at least not any better).

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the import brands all copy off of each other now a days, take the new civic and then look at the TL RSX and TSX....they are all pretty much the same from a design point....long thin headlights, that one bar grill, etc etc and then we got VW with the round elongated headlights and waterfall grill, currently the only VW with out the waterfall grill is the rabbit..

i do gotta say that some of the domestics do the same thing...the pontiac g6, cobalt, and saturn aura all look pretty similar to me...

[Rough Chop Tom]

imports own. specifically wrx sti's, evolutions, rx-7's, and honda type r's

[c-towNsawedOFF]

^I didn't like the Probe for exactly that reason. The Talon wasn't a copy of the eclipse. It was an eclipse. I'm not trying to be offensive here. That is just my opinion. But what makes a Lexus different from a Toyota? There models almost look the same. Infiniti and Nissian do the same thing. Now lets look at Cadillac. What other GM car looks like a CTS? Nothing. Or what Buick model looks just like a Chevrolet. None of them do. At least not recently. It seems like especially over the last ten years the domestic brands have gotten better at making each model distinctive while the imports have gotten worse(or at least not any better).

you are correct about the talon, eagle bought the rights to the design from mitsubishi. but i think you already know
lexus is owned by toyota
infiniti is owned by nissian.

your right about some models, but to tell you the truth i can not tell domestic pick-ups from each other, same goes for the new dodge models, i cant tell them apart (caliber, magnum...ect look alike)
maybe it is not between imports and domestic, but all companies models look simialar.

again, i like imports because it is sorta a challenge to gain and customize. my 88 lude has absolutly zero aftermarket parts so i have to get creative.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

the import brands all copy off of each other now a days, take the new civic and then look at the TL RSX and TSX....they are all pretty much the same from a design point....long thin headlights, that one bar grill, etc etc and then we got VW with the round elongated headlights and waterfall grill, currently the only VW with out the waterfall grill is the rabbit..

i do gotta say that some of the domestics do the same thing...the pontiac g6, cobalt, and saturn aura all look pretty similar to me...


imports own. specifically wrx sti's, evolutions, rx-7's, and honda type r's

couldnt say it better myself.
polls seem to be 50/50, i hope more ppl vote

[The Kozzle]

In terms of durability and overall satisfaction. I choose Imports 7 days a week. They last longer and are more efficient to drive in my opinion. I'm not speakin in terms of "ricers" vs. "muscle cars", I'm speaking in terms of overall...family wagons, ricers, muscle cars, sedans, coupes, and grocery getters...Imports rain supreme on Domestics too me. :nod:

[c-towNsawedOFF]

hey, i drive a car that was made my birth-year, 1988 and it still works! find me a 1988 ford blazer or something that is factory spec clean

[Mr Burns]

^Ford Blazer?????

[C-Note]

:rofl: Ford Blazer

That deserves a :doh2:

[The Kozzle]

hey, i drive a car that was made my birth-year, 1988 and it still works! find me a 1988 ford blazer or something that is factory spec clean




Ford Blazer huh? :rofly:



Its a Chevy Explorer :doh:




:que:




LMAO

[seeking]

lol, give the guy a break


chevy blazer ;)

[Streetz]

Import is my taste

eclipse (which i hate) copied with an eagle talon:wtf: How can you like imports, but hate the eclipse. The DSM played probably the biggest role in import performance and set the stage for solid AWD 4 cyl turbo. You're insane! They were ahead of their time.

And you're still wrong about the eclipse and talon.

A brief history:
It was a team effort by Diamond Star Motors (Mitsu, Eagle and Chrysler) to release a line of cars that were exactly the same (Eclipse, Talon and Laser), so if you went with Mitsu you paid more simply because of the name brand. The line of cars were ahead of their time in style and performance for the price. The Chrysler Laser stopped production in 94 while the Eagle Talon was discontinued in 98 and the Mitsubishi Eclipse continues today, but the DSM Eclipse's last year was 99. The only cars branded with the true DSM logo were the turboed versions, but the community considered non-turbo models to be DSM as well as the Galant VR-4 and Evolution.

The turbo models used Mitsu's 4G63 Engine and some were AWD. The non-turbo models used Chrysler's 420a engine which were also used in the Neons at the time, all of which were FWD.


That should clear some stuff up :nerd:

[BurnYourDead]

Im a import guy myself. I had a total of 4 5.0's but now i own a 04 STI. I just got rid of my 02 maxima se 6sp that had a lil done to it. let me tell ya i will never go back to domestic again.

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ithought the 3000gt vr4 was also considered DSM?

[J-ROC]

/votes domestic
Tell me when import does this...

http://www.mylivingtree.com/4318pic/635/CP562635.jpg

[Krayzie7th]

or this..
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9927/motivator6505852ic7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

just kidding guys..lol

I think a lot of people chose imports for a daily driver or family because they still under the impression that imports are better built cars, that was da case back in the 90's when imports were the better built car and the reputation for domestics of being cheap is just going away. But now demestics n imports are pretty much in da same level as far as reliability n comfort. Now if we are talking about import cars vs muscle cars then the imports have the sti,evo,dsm and some other cars while the domestics have Gto,cobra,gt,vette,camaro,trans-am,cts-v.To me in peformance the domestics are better. Also a lot of people say muscle cars cant handle on the auto cross but if u look at times a lot of this domestics are pulling better times then a lot of imports 2.

[Streetz]

Tell me when import does this...
Not as big, but it could if Brent Rau didn't want to concentrate on running 6s so much :)
http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2007/images/cars/brent_rau.jpg


ithought the 3000gt vr4 was also considered DSM?Depending on the person you ask, some will say yes, others will say no, but to me it's pushing it.

[Krayzie7th]

but thats a drag car that car right there is running at 56 psi thats crazy.I seen some domestics running close to 6's n still are street able.

[Rough Chop Tom]

/votes domestic
Tell me when import does this...

http://www.mylivingtree.com/4318pic/635/CP562635.jpg
heaps and heaps of mazda's, rx-3, rx-7's etc

[MexBone187]

American muscle:cool:

[c-towNsawedOFF]

:rofl: Ford Blazer

That deserves a :doh2:

hey hey, i am an IMPORT man, i know nothing about ford models

[c-towNsawedOFF]

idk, i think domestic cars are big and clunky (as in pontiac "sports coupes" like firebird) and imports are smooth and sporty.


so do u want a fat bitch that can lift weights.....or slim more toned and smooth?

[Mr Burns]

^that perception that imports handle better is mostly untrue. There isn't a great deal of difference between imports and domestics from a performance standpoint. Both have different driving traits but when it comes down to performance the numbers in any test can go either way depending on the model.

I feel the opposite. To me imports feel like they have no substance. Most of them are lacking in torque, and have overly stiff suspensions, so it feels like your driving a really fast lawn mower. I'd take a good old push rod engine with a decent displacement over a VVT overhead cam engine any day of the week.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

correct, they both have different traits. for example, a mustang (only model i know about, lol) Vs. rx-7..... sure mustange would win 1/4 mile, throw them in a curcit race, rx-7 wins.

same if you look at rally races, no domestic cars can do it?! ummm, drifting, domestics TRY to drift. so idk, my score is 3 to 1 import. domestic good for straight racing hands down, thats why i never wanna race those domestic guys.

1 more thing, there are acceptions to this theroy so dont pay attention to detail

[grasuc]

i drive a domestic, my wife drives an import n i gotta vote 4 import def!

[c-towNsawedOFF]

i drive a domestic, my wife drives an import n i gotta vote 4 import def!

good man

[Mr. Spooky]

Domestic>imports

[007]

i like both

i mean on one hand we got the eclipses, 3000gt, 300zx, rx-8, etc.

but on the domestic side we got

mustangs, vettes, trans am/camaro, monte carlo etc.

so really i cant say i prefer one over the other

[Deee]

i like both

i mean on one hand we got the eclipses, 3000gt, 300zx, rx-8, etc.

but on the domestic side we got

mustangs, vettes, trans am/camaro, monte carlo etc.

so really i cant say i prefer one over the other

I prefer the 240sx to teh 300zx its much lighter, great drifting car.

[~The Guyver~]

For driving back and forth to work, get a honda.They are made for saving gas.And whats with imports being more reliable?

/looks on the streets.

Hmm very rarely do you see a japanese car over 10 years old.

Euro cars are just sexy. German cars are tanks. They are teh sweet.

For speed, an american car.Brent Rau's is the fastest car in the WORLD for its type.How many American cars run 6's? I see four or five everytime I go to the track.

In terms of power, and torque american muscle is where its at. Not much of a mustang fan, but a Z28 stock can beat most Evo's with A bunch of money under the hood.

[~The Guyver~]

heaps and heaps of mazda's, rx-3, rx-7's etc

Rx7's, you will pay twice the cars value, jsut replacing the seals in that rotary engine every two weeks. Not to mention, those cars are so light because of the rotary that they flip if you give them to much power.

Dont get me wrong, out of all the jap cars, RX7's are one's i actually personally like because the technology is different then most engines.Not to mention you can take the engine out of the car with your hands, and rebuild it in like half an hour. Thats why they stopped making the RX7's and 8's because the seals where crap.

But the picture is a bad example.Watch that car in real life.What import can make that growl, and put out that power and torque?

[~The Guyver~]

correct, they both have different traits. for example, a mustang (only model i know about, lol) Vs. rx-7..... sure mustange would win 1/4 mile, throw them in a curcit race, rx-7 wins.

same if you look at rally races, no domestic cars can do it?! ummm, drifting, domestics TRY to drift. so idk, my score is 3 to 1 import. domestic good for straight racing hands down, thats why i never wanna race those domestic guys.

1 more thing, there are acceptions to this theroy so dont pay attention to detail

RX7's handling is still considered one of the best.But then again its got the most unique technology out of any car, and wieghs less then most of them.BUT the cost to keep them running with those seals always breaking is outrageous.Drifting, camaro's are great for drifting but drifting IMO is a stupid form of racing.Good for you, sliding around all over.lol. But then again I dont like paying $500 every other week for new tires, not to mention all the damage it does to the rear end of a car.Handling, Japanese cars are really not better then american cars for the most part. Vette still beats 'em all. Its the euro cars that hvae the handling aspect down pat.

[~The Guyver~]

idk, i think domestic cars are big and clunky (as in pontiac "sports coupes" like firebird) and imports are smooth and sporty.


so do u want a fat bitch that can lift weights.....or slim more toned and smooth?

I love the big rides. Lol pull up in an old cadillac and you stylin.U need a big car to handle big power.lol.But even american cars are getting smaller and smaller these days.Makes me sad :( Guess im just old fashioned. But i guess fuel prices have that much of an impact

/notices teh smart fortwo

thats the car they use in the wii comercials aint it?

.8 litter turbo diesel.Thing is like a gokart.

Dont get me wrong 70 miles per gallon is almost worth it.If i could find one cheap enough, i wouldnt mind looking lik a goof driving one.

[seeking]

Hmm very rarely do you see a japanese car over 10 years old.


yea i a lot of people forget that the engine might last 300,000 miles, but the body wont

[Deee]

My favorties are still european cars.

[~The Guyver~]

Ive seen VW diesel's getting 500,000 plust easy.

Dads friend russ's Diesel cummin's had over 1.5 million miles on it before the tranni took a crap.

BUt then diesel trucks are a different story.lol.

/notices teh old stingray that just drove by :)

[~The Guyver~]

My favorties are still european cars.

Especially Italian ones yesh?:P

[Krayzie7th]

its very true on the rx7 the seals going and also putting oil in it all the time.also about domestics being bad on a road course it bs. The camaro ss got a better time then an s2000 n even though the camaro is a solid axle.Now that the GTO n the new Camaro are and going to be IRS are going to handle even better so they are going to be an even better all around car.

[~The Guyver~]

^yup.

[Vega/Set]

I love muscle cars.so i gotta go wit domestics. besides i love hearin that deep roar wen i drive my camaro..............its jus sounds so beautiful compared to a 3 inch wide bumblebee

[~The Guyver~]

^exactly.

Cars arent supposed to sound like they are farting.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

^exactly.

Cars arent supposed to sound like they are farting.

wo wo, thats only the ebay mufflers that are crappy, mine (skunk2 muffler, no name-resonater, catco hi-flow cat, headmen headers) sound nice and deep when i hit the gas

also it looks like imports are winning! yay

[seeking]

yea my exhaust is pretty decent for stock to, but it hink the dude was refering to those ricers out there...but ricers own ever make of car..

[c-towNsawedOFF]

yes, ricers give a bad name to all imports, the big wing on the back, ebay muffler, ugly body kit, ect

as for VW they have some decent parts stock, even some turbo builds. very nice base for tune-ing

[seeking]

thier body kits are a lot more suttle as well

[Rough Chop Tom]

to me imports put out a lot of power on such small engines. I like the technology they use to do it. for example a Honda civic type r 1600cc 4 cylinder puts out 180hp and its naturally aspirated. If the Japanese wanted to make huge v8 6litre things i'm sure they could do it, and probably do it better; but the Japanese have a law that no cars can be produced over 280ps (276hp). Prity much the fastest common jap cars (wrx and evos) are only 2 - 2.5l because of rally rules. - Group B rally cars that where like 400-500hp were banned because too many ppl crashed and died!

[~The Guyver~]

wo wo, thats only the ebay mufflers that are crappy, mine (skunk2 muffler, no name-resonater, catco hi-flow cat, headmen headers) sound nice and deep when i hit the gas

also it looks like imports are winning! yay


Did see a newer nissan at the track that sounded like a muscle car.I was like DAYUM. Thing did a 12 second run. Pretty fast for a japanese car with no nitrous.

[~The Guyver~]

to me imports put out a lot of power on such small engines. I like the technology they use to do it. for example a Honda civic type r 1600cc 4 cylinder puts out 180hp and its naturally aspirated. If the Japanese wanted to make huge v8 6litre things i'm sure they could do it, and probably do it better; but the Japanese have a law that no cars can be produced over 280ps (276hp). Prity much the fastest common jap cars (wrx and evos) are only 2 - 2.5l because of rally rules. - Group B rally cars that where like 400-500hp were banned because too many ppl crashed and died!

Japanese four cylinders arent much more powerful then american ones if you take off all the speed boosters.People say Nitrous is cheating. In that case, a 6000 dollar turbo charger is cheating 2. Same thing, only you dont gotta refill the bottle all the time. You can put a couple grand worth of turbo's in any four cylinder american car, and get the same speed. But an 8 cylinder american car, thats all engine, thats something to boast about.

/notices I see neon's all the time now with turbo chargers added on and they go just as fast if not faster then all the eclipse boys runnin' around.

[Mr Burns]

^good point. and if your into racing you have to take potential into account. A 4 cylinder engine even with add ons such as a turbo or nitrous is only going to get so much power b4 it is maxed out. It is possible to get numbers that are similar to a stock 8 cylinder by hooking up a 4 banger. But if you did all of these things to an 8 cylinder it would blow away a 4 cylinder no matter what it had in it. Its all about potential. REMEMBER THERES NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT!

[c-towNsawedOFF]

^^^yup, but 4 cylinder motors are used because of the weight difference.... nuff said.
a RSX (integra JDM) does not need 8 cylinders...even know K20A pushes 200 h.p (type R 220H.P)
therefore, runs 15's stock, same as ne dsm stock car.
now boost that (type R stock turbo) and your looking @ low 12's on a front wheel drive car. the big difference when you max a car for racing is A) drive train (fwd) (rwd)
and B) motor capablities
after saying all this, you still see curcuit racing domonated by imports (jap cars)


now this is all assuming you guys are talking about racing hehe

[c-towNsawedOFF]

BTW i am glad to see ppl still posting in this thread....there are so many differences to be debated...more to come :)

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whats cheaper a v8 or a turbo'd 4cylc?

im not trying to be a dick, i really dont know and am curious

[Krayzie7th]

i would think a v8 would be cheaper then a turbo 4cylender.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

stock turbo, but turbo kit cost-2500 (depending on what car...ect)
rest of turbo build (intake mani, fuel managment or ecu, header back piping....cat, muffler....inter-cooler..more) bout 4grand total, again depending on model.
but its worth it in the end. this aside, turbo is the best way to see gains, but i am N/A tunning my baby, so i cant say i am a turbo guy. ur right to much money.

[Mr Burns]

i would think a v8 would be cheaper then a turbo 4cylender.

I think it would be comparable. The GM W-Bodies with V-8's come are in the upper mid 20's as far as price goes. A 4 banger with a turbo new seems to be in the mid 20's when all said and done as well. If you start getting into aftermarket though that would change the prices on both a lot.

[seeking]

we shouldnt compare entire car prices because for instance my GTI has more expensive interior materials as well as luxury items compared to the competition, we need to find some engine only prices

[memfrysrboi]

Hmm very rarely do you see a japanese car over 10 years old.


In terms of power, and torque american muscle is where its at. Not much of a mustang fan, but a Z28 stock can beat most Evo's with A bunch of money under the hood.
actually most of the imports you see are over ten years old, most hondas that are being fixed up were pre 2000, 1stgen & 2ndgen rx7, 300zx 90-96, supra mkII,mkIII,mkIV pre 98, mitsubishi eclipse pre 99', rarely do u see the newer eclipse being fixed up especially the newest one, silvias, 240sx, 180sx, skylines, all over ten years old or close to it, and i highly doubt a stock z28 can even beat a slighty tuned evo

[memfrysrboi]

Drifting, camaro's are great for drifting but drifting IMO is a stupid form of racing.Good for you, sliding around all over.lol. i have seen a few 3rd gen camaro's driffting so i guess they can be good at it, but you say drifting is stupid but yet its the biggest motorsport ever to hit the the U.S. and is still growing

[memfrysrboi]

Japanese four cylinders arent much more powerful then american ones if you take off all the speed boosters.People say Nitrous is cheating. In that case, a 6000 dollar turbo charger is cheating 2. Same thing, only you dont gotta refill the bottle all the time. You can put a couple grand worth of turbo's in any four cylinder american car, and get the same speed. But an 8 cylinder american car, thats all engine, thats something to boast about.

/notices I see neon's all the time now with turbo chargers added on and they go just as fast if not faster then all the eclipse boys runnin' around.
speed boosters??? they are many many people with all motor civics and del sols running 12's and below, forced induction is not always needed to be fast on a 4cylinder or any import. also about you seeing neons all the time with turbos, ur most likely seeing neon str4's that come turboed stock

[~The Guyver~]

^^^yup, but 4 cylinder motors are used because of the weight difference.... nuff said.
a RSX (integra JDM) does not need 8 cylinders...even know K20A pushes 200 h.p (type R 220H.P)
therefore, runs 15's stock, same as ne dsm stock car.
now boost that (type R stock turbo) and your looking @ low 12's on a front wheel drive car. the big difference when you max a car for racing is A) drive train (fwd) (rwd)
and B) motor capablities
after saying all this, you still see curcuit racing domonated by imports (jap cars)


now this is all assuming you guys are talking about racing hehe


You can take any four cylinder and give it thousands of dollars worth of powerboosters. An american 8 cylinder in the long run is FAR cheaper to make run 9's then any japanese car. I see japanese cars with $60,000 engines running 11's, and i see V8 muscle running 9's on a tenth of that. Japanese cars do NOT handle much better then american cars, if any at all.Some do, but for the most part not really. A vette can outdo alot of them. And if you put taht kind of money into a V8, with all those powerboosters the V8 will come out on top. Thast why you see THOUSANDS of 9 second, 8second, 7 second american muscle cars and only a handfull of japanese cars that can beat the 9 second mark.And thats in the whole world.

[~The Guyver~]

speed boosters??? they are many many people with all motor civics and del sols running 12's and below, forced induction is not always needed to be fast on a 4cylinder or any import. also about you seeing neons all the time with turbos, ur most likely seeing neon str4's that come turboed stock


No most jap cars running 12's are turbo, or at least V6. Im around imports all the time at the track, that fad has caught on like wildfire.YES there are a few, but not many.

People say that Nitrous is cheating, but its no more cheating then adding a turbo onto your car. Add a turbo onto any american muscle, and its going to outperfom forgein cars. Most of the time dont even need the turbo.


Personally, i got a turbo on my camaro.I dont really care.My camaro is almost as light as ALOT of these japanese cars around, and pound for pound Mine puts out WAY more power. And no ive seen LOTS of neons with aftermarket turbo's goin just as fast as eclipses with after market turbos.

Now rally, japanese cars usually beat american ones. Those 4wd suzuki cars are fuckin smokin when it comes to that shit, but for racing on the circle, and on the straightline american cars are where the powers at.

[~The Guyver~]

i have seen a few 3rd gen camaro's driffting so i guess they can be good at it, but you say drifting is stupid but yet its the biggest motorsport ever to hit the the U.S. and is still growing


Lol.If thats what your into, go for it.Dragracing is still WAY bigger then drifting, but yes drifting is getting big. Didnt happen till tokyo drift came out, but hey.lol. Just not much of a drifting fan. But then again i dont want to spend an assload of money fixing a drifting car all the time from eating up the tires. and fuckin up the rear end.not to mention if you crash, ooooh your screwed.Especially in japanese cars as brittle as they are. Just not my thing. If you think driftings cool, then more power 2 ya.I just think its silly. If ya have fun sliding around, thats your perogative.I love showin' off raw power and torque that only american muscle can bring.

[~The Guyver~]

actually most of the imports you see are over ten years old, most hondas that are being fixed up were pre 2000, 1stgen & 2ndgen rx7, 300zx 90-96, supra mkII,mkIII,mkIV pre 98, mitsubishi eclipse pre 99', rarely do u see the newer eclipse being fixed up especially the newest one, silvias, 240sx, 180sx, skylines, all over ten years old or close to it, and i highly doubt a stock z28 can even beat a slighty tuned evo


Sry your right, I been forgetting we are in the new millenium here.lol.7 years later.For some reason I still keep thinking of 1994 and on, as less then 10 years. I know im a goof.But let me refrase myself. Very rarely do you see japanese cars older then a 1994 riding around. Keep in mind I said rarely.Not impossible.I see old toyotas all the time.But then again them bitch's can be rusted to nothing but the frame and the engine, and they still run.Not to mention most of them here, are built here. BUT american cars seem to stand the tests of time FAR better IF takin care of.Not to mention american cars that old arent as brittle as japanese cars. This unibody crap is starting to get ridiculous tho.saw a unibody truck once, a guy jumped from a ledge, into the bed of the truck and fuckin bent the body.Its like wtf is the point in having a truck when it cant even handle minimum abuse.And a unibody truck is just ridiculous.

[~The Guyver~]

we shouldnt compare entire car prices because for instance my GTI has more expensive interior materials as well as luxury items compared to the competition, we need to find some engine only prices


If your going engine wise, id say a V8. U can usually pick up a V8 cheaper then an import 4 cylinder turbo engine if u know where 2 look. I know if you got a brand new LS7 crate engine, ur prolly gonna be paying out the ass, but it aint hard to come across cheap LS1's, or LT1's or small block dodge and chevy engines. And the LS1's are fuckin powerhouses. You can get them running low 13's high 12's stock with no problem. And they are ALOT cheaper to sup up then forgein engines. Not to mention older chevy smallblocks. Power per square inch wise, they cant be beat.My friend sal was trying to get a new engine for his suzuki and they wanted an ASSLOAD.But u can prolly find a turbo charged eclipse engine for not 2 much as those things are everywhere.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

You can take any four cylinder and give it thousands of dollars worth of powerboosters. An american 8 cylinder in the long run is FAR cheaper to make run 9's then any japanese car. I see japanese cars with $60,000 engines running 11's, and i see V8 muscle running 9's on a tenth of that. Japanese cars do NOT handle much better then american cars, if any at all.Some do, but for the most part not really. A vette can outdo alot of them. And if you put taht kind of money into a V8, with all those powerboosters the V8 will come out on top. Thast why you see THOUSANDS of 9 second, 8second, 7 second american muscle cars and only a handfull of japanese cars that can beat the 9 second mark.And thats in the whole world.

those are not fair comparasons. a vette vs rsx??? are you kiding...ofcourse its better. i can show you a car running high 8's (import)....ne car can, if your talking about drag racing, the car is just used for the shell.

[~The Guyver~]

Im talking engine wise.Its alot easier to sup up a muslce then a import. And people ignore this alot, but if you go by how much power the engines put out per square inch WITHOUT ANY POWER ADDERS Musclecars win. If you put power adders on both, musclecars still win. AND if you go by weight also, musclecars usually win 2. No im not saying fast imports dont exist, but muscle cars are alot more suited for power.Thats why you see LOTS AND LOTS of 8 second muscle cars using JUST engine no nitrous no turbo, and maybe im wrong but ive NEVER seen an import 4 cylinder run faster then 9 seconds WITHOUT a turbo, or some kind of extra additive. And even with those things, imports dont hit the mark nearly as much as muscle cars.

BUT japanese cars do got us beat in the rallys ill give you that.

Friend took me on a dirt road, in his 4wd suzuki and that shit was ballin'.lol.

And as for the vette thing, im saying handling wise.They are compared to european cars, which i think have both japanese cars AND american cars beat in terms of handling.But when it comes to japanes VS american cars its a pretty even race handling wise.

[memfrysrboi]

Lol.If thats what your into, go for it.Dragracing is still WAY bigger then drifting, but yes drifting is getting big. Didnt happen till tokyo drift came out, but hey.lol. Just not much of a drifting fan. But then again i dont want to spend an assload of money fixing a drifting car all the time from eating up the tires. and fuckin up the rear end.not to mention if you crash, ooooh your screwed.Especially in japanese cars as brittle as they are. Just not my thing. If you think driftings cool, then more power 2 ya.I just think its silly. If ya have fun sliding around, thats your perogative.I love showin' off raw power and torque that only american muscle can bring.na i disagree that drag racing is bigger and no it was big here when it first hit shores in 2004 because many many people already knew about, tokyo drift jus let everyone know about it who already didnt know about it, i actually like drifting better becuase u actually have to learn how to do it an everyone cant do it, its more of an art, anybody can get in a car and go straight

[~The Guyver~]

Can you get in a car and go straight in a car thats running 8 seconds at 190? not as easy. There are dragstrips all over the place.How many places for drifting? Drag racing has been big since....the creation of the automobile. Just think drifting is goofy, and it didnt hit big until tokyo drift. Just like ricers didnt hit big until the first fast and the furious movie.If u are into it sweet, but i aint. Tires for my camaro are expensive. More dragstrips, more people out streetracing then drifting.

[memfrysrboi]

Can you get in a car and go straight in a car thats running 8 seconds at 190? not as easy. There are dragstrips all over the place.How many places for drifting? Drag racing has been big since....the creation of the automobile. Just think drifting is goofy, and it didnt hit big until tokyo drift. Just like ricers didnt hit big until the first fast and the furious movie.If u are into it sweet, but i aint. Tires for my camaro are expensive. More dragstrips, more people out streetracing then drifting.
well pretty much any parking lot can be used to drift just like pretty much any street can be used to drag race, and ur right drifting didnt hit mainstream america until tokyo drift, now everyone wants to drift, amatuer and pro drifting events are happening all of the world and america now but like i said many people including me knew about it WAY before that

[2econd Avenue]

Imports have unique features.

[~The Guyver~]

well pretty much any parking lot can be used to drift just like pretty much any street can be used to drag race, and ur right drifting didnt hit mainstream america until tokyo drift, now everyone wants to drift, amatuer and pro drifting events are happening all of the world and america now but like i said many people including me knew about it WAY before that


eh i heard of it but didnt really know about it till the movie either 2 be truthful.lol.like i said my in my opinion it just aint my style.but hey if ya like it and ya got the money to do it more power 2 ya. I just been around drag racing all my life since my dads a IHRA racer.

But on the racing tip there are fast imports.American muscle just tends to be faster and cheaper to build.Not afraid to admit to loosing, but neither me nor my dad have been beat by an import yet. Wait scratch that I got beat by a 10 second jetta at the track, but thats german so its different.lol.

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lmao at german cuz its different

/i agree with that though lol

[Bloodiemurderer]

im inport tuner type...faster around tyte coners.better stability while @ high speed's.
i dont care about looks as much as the speed & drivability...
audi vw alfa romero subaru & shit of all time a Nissan skyline r34 shit shit on a vette or camaro any day of the week

[~The Guyver~]

Lmao your out of your damn mind. I agree with the romeo european cars pwn american cars when it comes to handling but a nissan and a subaru will never be even a challenge 2 a vette.Specially teh new ones.Vettes are comparable to european cars.Only time those cars are better, is on a dirt road.

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yea that comparison was almost apples to oranges, like me saying the veyron would stomp all over a cavalier anyday of the week

[c-towNsawedOFF]

imports dont only dominate drifting (i really dont care bout drifting, lol) but um if your talking about curcuit racing (with the vette)...i have a example results page link if you want to see, but Porsche comes in 1st 5/6 charts i looked at, Acura came in top 5 every page i looked at, and your corvette came in around 10th every race
http://results.speedtv.com/results.php?schedule_id=539

PROOF SON`~~~ @ Fieldy

[c-towNsawedOFF]

sooo, rally racing- imports win
drifting- no chance
curcuit- imports
drag- close but domestic
so tell me how domestics are better for racing?

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im an import guy, so thats where my heart is, but im willing to bet that the money put into the imports is a lot greater than the money put into the domestics which is where the domestic advantage comes in, thats just my opinion though

[c-towNsawedOFF]

hehe, sorry fieldy, all in good spirits

[Rough Chop Tom]

sooo, rally racing- imports win
drifting- no chance
curcuit- imports
drag- close but domestic
so tell me how domestics are better for racing?yup definitly, also have better interior's 2.

[Rough Chop Tom]

hehe, sorry fieldy, all in good spiritsdont get fieldy started on his ls1, camaro, american car shit again. It will hurt to c him bum himself out 20X over again.:-D

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Fieldy bite your tounge, bite yoru tounge! :P



oh and euro interiors > all other interiors :nod:

[c-towNsawedOFF]

yessa, def. euro> all when it comes to interiors

[Mr Burns]

Fieldy bite your tounge, bite yoru tounge! :P



oh and euro interiors > all other interiors :nod:

If you made this statement a year ago I would agree. But have you seen the interior of the new Saturn Aura? Or the 2008 Chevy Malibu. The new interiors GM has been putting out lately are top notch all the way. They didn't skimp on anything.

[~The Guyver~]

sooo, rally racing- imports win
drifting- no chance
curcuit- imports
drag- close but domestic
so tell me how domestics are better for racing?


The only time imports are better on the curcuit is wehn they have 10 times the money put into them. One link equates to nothing when vette's have been taking the award for 30 plus years now. Especially the new vette. It will eat any of 'em alive.

[~The Guyver~]

Fieldy bite your tounge, bite yoru tounge! :P



oh and euro interiors > all other interiors :nod:


Lmao. I can agree. But ah, ill just go with popular choice here and popular choice is,besides euro cars, teh vette. Jap cars arent really anything special on handling not counting a select few. Of course the 4wd cars are gonna be a little bit better in some aspects, but for the most part 'vettes are compared to european cars for a reason. And drag racing, well american muscle is preffered by everyone (excluding teenagers) that wants power anywhere. Lmao @ ruff chop whatever. There's a reason american muscle is preffered by the majority. Power per square inch, there isnt one asian car that can put out as much as an american muscle engine unless its got thousands of dollars worth of turbo and power boosters and THATS a fact.American cars have the records to prove it. And if you do want to go that route, throw in a turbo on an american car and you will be stompin' on them kiddy cars. Not to mention American cars hold the record for hp/weight ratios 2. So uh im going with them on that 2.

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If you made this statement a year ago I would agree. But have you seen the interior of the new Saturn Aura? Or the 2008 Chevy Malibu. The new interiors GM has been putting out lately are top notch all the way. They didn't skimp on anything.


dont get me wrong, the new interiors are definetly nice, but the materials are not at the same quality, and the europeans have interior comfort features unmatched by any other country...i was in my friends..shit id ont even remember what it was, but i thought thier sunroof was broken when it didnt close all the way on its own...i had to hold the button till it closed...pffft

[~The Guyver~]

Yes when it comes to comfort and quality, some of them euro's go all out ridiculous.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

Lmao. I can agree. But ah, ill just go with popular choice here and popular choice is,besides euro cars, teh vette. Jap cars arent really anything special on handling not counting a select few. Of course the 4wd cars are gonna be a little bit better in some aspects, but for the most part 'vettes are compared to european cars for a reason. And drag racing, well american muscle is preffered by everyone (excluding teenagers) that wants power anywhere. Lmao @ ruff chop whatever. There's a reason american muscle is preffered by the majority. Power per square inch, there isnt one asian car that can put out as much as an american muscle engine unless its got thousands of dollars worth of turbo and power boosters and THATS a fact.American cars have the records to prove it. And if you do want to go that route, throw in a turbo on an american car and you will be stompin' on them kiddy cars. Not to mention American cars hold the record for hp/weight ratios 2. So uh im going with them on that 2.

....no comment bout drag racing, its not really cheaper to tune american cars, and your acting like you cant turbo a mustang or something..... but i will tell you this when you say jap cars suck @ handle-ing, sorry, honda invented 4ws and subaru invented 4wd.....you know nothing also bout the racing, that was american racing league pro curcuit racing, chevy isnt that great so stop using it as your base for telling me im wrong.
also rally racing (all handle) is all STI, TRD and RALLY ART (team wise) no american car can even compare

[c-towNsawedOFF]

ooo yea, its easy to see massive gains when your car is stock 300 h.p.....so yea, keep using that, but h.p is not everything

[c-towNsawedOFF]

ford mustang motors....huge ass motor BTW 4.6L is gaint, only sohc which the huge size makes up for

Base Number of Cylinders: 8
Base Engine Size: 4.6 liters
Base Engine Type: V8
Horsepower: 300 hp
Max Horsepower: 5750 rpm
Torque: 320 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4500 rpm
Maximum Towing Capacity: 1000 lbs.
Drive Type: RWD
Turning Circle: 36.5 ft.

[~The Guyver~]

....no comment bout drag racing, its not really cheaper to tune american cars, and your acting like you cant turbo a mustang or something..... but i will tell you this when you say jap cars suck @ handle-ing, sorry, honda invented 4ws and subaru invented 4wd.....you know nothing also bout the racing, that was american racing league pro curcuit racing, chevy isnt that great so stop using it as your base for telling me im wrong.
also rally racing (all handle) is all STI, TRD and RALLY ART (team wise) no american car can even compare



It is ALOT cheapter to tune american cars.Thats why there are so damn many of them running 9's and not very many japs. Uh im around racing every day of my life. Ive seen litterally HUNDREDS of small block chevy engines leave that shop, with less then 5 grand under the hood and low and behold 9 SECOND CAR. Never said you couldnt put a turbo on a mustang. Infact, dad raced one last time we where in chi town. But you take ANY japanese four cylinder STOCK no turbo and any american muscle STOCK no turbo and the muscle car engine is going to put out more power per square inch more power per weight, and all around just more power. You turbo both cars and the american one is still gonna come out on top. hell yea a 4wd car is gonna beat a 2wd car in alot of shit, but comparing equally they arent much better and it dont matter how better they are at handling when they dont have a quarter of the power of a car thats got pretty decent comparable handling. And I use chevy's because smallblock chevys are world renowned power houses. But if you can find ANY japanese car that can beat my car on the strip, that has as little money under the hood as I do (prolly about 4 grand) and ill shut up.

[~The Guyver~]

ford mustang motors....huge ass motor BTW 4.0L is gaint, only sohc which sucks

sohc V6sohc V8


Size, liters/cu. in.4.0 /2454.6 /281


Horsepower @ rpm.210 @ 5250300 @ 5750


Torque (lb-ft) @ rpm.240 @ 3500320 @ 4500


AvailabilityStandardStandard

Who said anything about ford engines? The fuckin ford bigblock 440 8.0 liter engine doesnt even put out as much power as a stock 350 5.7.Fords known for making huge ass engines that dont do the greatest when it comes to size/power

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Allright guys dont turn this into a flame war, I got no problem with debate..debate is what makes the forum world go round...just keep it freindly, i dont want to have to close this, i like this thread :)

Remember this is a new forum, and its on a trial...

plus i know you guys dont want to make me look bad :D

[~The Guyver~]

ooo yea, its easy to see massive gains when your car is stock 320 h.p.....so yea, keep using that, but h.p is not everything


Yea im gonna keep using that. lol. A fuckin 200 hp jap car isnt going to stand a chance against a 1200 HP muscle car, and ive seen MANY MANY small block engines with over a grand HP no nitrous,no turbo anything. FOr the power that those put out, and the size that they are that is fuckin insane and if you can find any japanese car non turbo, non nitrous, but otherwise supped 2 hell that can put out even close to as much power per square inch then I will give you this argument.

No disrespect, ya like what ya like but ah the dyno doesnt lie.Ill give ya the win on handling when it comes to 4wd cars, but ya dont see any 4wd muscle cars nowadays do ya? Im talking equal comparisons. If a Vette was 4wd it would have no challengers. Thats why vettes, for the past 30 years, have been compared to euro cars which shit on BOTH japs and american cars in terms of handling.

[~The Guyver~]

Allright guys dont turn this into a flame war, I got no problem with debate..debate is what makes the forum world go round...just keep it freindly, i dont want to have to close this, i like this thread :)

Remember this is a new forum, and its on a trial...

plus i know you guys dont want to make me look bad :D


Lol truth.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

its example..... lets say mustang vs 350z...(same price range and class)
here are specs.... i will show you why imports pwn
Base Number of Cylinders: 6
Base Engine Size: 3.5 liters
Base Engine Type: V6
\Horsepower: 306 hp
Max Horsepower: 6800 rpm
Torque: 268 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4800 rpm
Drive Type: RWD
Turning Circle: 35.4 ft.

now tell me this, if jap cars suck, how is it that they can be more powerful, lighter, smaller??? ooo yea, better on gas to

[c-towNsawedOFF]

Yea im gonna keep using that. lol. A fuckin 200 hp jap car isnt going to stand a chance against a 1200 HP muscle car, and ive seen MANY MANY small block engines with over a grand HP no nitrous,no turbo anything. FOr the power that those put out, and the size that they are that is fuckin insane and if you can find any japanese car non turbo, non nitrous, but otherwise supped 2 hell that can put out even close to as much power per square inch then I will give you this argument.

No disrespect, ya like what ya like but ah the dyno doesnt lie.Ill give ya the win on handling when it comes to 4wd cars, but ya dont see any 4wd muscle cars nowadays do ya? Im talking equal comparisons. If a Vette was 4wd it would have no challengers. Thats why vettes, for the past 30 years, have been compared to euro cars which shit on BOTH japs and american cars in terms of handling.


ok ok, find me a vid. n/a spec car, i will also...must be in same class as in stock specs

[~The Guyver~]

:/

Again, i dont give 2 shits about a ford. They to this day are STILL making big ass engines, that put out shit power compared to size.

Chevy engines that are twice as small are putting out more power then alot of them.

And my mom beats 6 cylinder mustangs all the time in her Grand Prix.

BUT now take an LS1, compared to any of those cars stock, NEITHER having power boosters, and the power/size ratio will be handed to the LS1. What i mean by that, is if the LS1 WHERE a 4 cylinder, it would still be putting out more power. ANd if you go weight/power ratio the LS1's have it to. Im not saying there are no fast imports, but to get a 4 cylinder up to par, you would have to put a shit load of money into it jsut to get it equal to a stock LS1.Then you start actually supping up the LS1, and trust me them bitch's are EASY to sup up.thast why they are so popular.One of the most looked for engines around for swapping, and draggin it dont take much to get the hp rolling. And there are MANY carbeurated, older chevy engines that put out more power per square inch then the LS1. Not to mention, as you said yourself, you can put a turbo charger on them 2. (yes i know this all 2 well :) ) show me a japanese car running 9's with less then 4 grand under the hood.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

less than 4grand under the hood? not possable unless you want to buy a 250k. you show me proof plz, i got charts, graphs....research man, you have only words. and like i said,hp is not all

[c-towNsawedOFF]

found ur 10sec. car hehe, 06 lambo. murcielago (that counts) but seriously, you can not expect for a car with 4grand invested to run 9's on ne car

[c-towNsawedOFF]

w8 w8, import that can run 9's stock, heres the link

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/bugatti/veyron164/100773420/specs.html

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lol the veyron is a beutiful car but it has i think 4 turbos and 2 superchargers

[~The Guyver~]

uh yea im around them all the time. 4 grand added onto what already came with the car stock.

Let me be more precise. Ive got a '94 camaro Z28 with an LS1 out of a I think 98 vette not possitive. Got the LS1, and it was stock. There's about 4 grand into the engine, the roll cage, the rear end etc and its running 10.80s on the quarter. I will get slips, and scan them 2 prove it.

My dad has a 73 Starfire oldsmobile with a 406 chevy small, and he is running 9.20s on engine, 8.80s on spray. JUST THE ENGINE, he has about 6-7 grand under the hood.That isnt counting the new rear end, rollcage, etc all the other shit in it thats just the engine. But it is NOT hard 2 do if you know what your doing.Again ill try to gather some slips up and scan 'em.

Let me see what I can come up with on here

Trust me in the drag racing scene, my dad sorta has a cult following around indiana and michigan.

he knows what he's doing.

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/featuredvehicles/virgil_chris_blevins_1967_dodge_coronet/
^Dad did most of the moter work on that car himself.

This is just one of tha articles he's been in. Frank Nigro. And thats no bullshit either, you can ask anybody thats been on this board awhile that knows my posting and talks to me on aim. Nigro's the name, and franks my daddy.

He's been in Chevy magazine for building russ's 8 second strictly drag 67 chevelle, he's been in a few others 2 ill post links 2 them as I find 'em, or ill just scan them out of the magazines, so trust me i know what Im talking about.lol.But i will find you some proof in a min when i got time.

[~The Guyver~]

K as sexy as that car is, its not japanese, its 16 cylinders, and it doesnt run 9's stock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron_16.4

Yes its the fastest stock car, but uh its turbo charged and all around built for speed. Dont see 2 many cruising around do u? lol.

It also reaches 200 and 300 km/h (124 and 186 mph) in 7.4 and 18.2 seconds respectively. And according to the February 2007 issue of Road & Track Magazine, the Veyron accomplished the quarter mile in 10.2 seconds at a speed of 142.9 mph

10 seconds and that was just once. STill fast as shit, but its outside of everything we been talking about.

/notices its made by VW.

And yes I would give up both testicles to have one, but uh that car cost more then friggin 20 camaros.lol.

[~The Guyver~]

lol the veyron is a beutiful car but it has i think 4 turbos and 2 superchargers


the W16 would get four turbochargers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger), producing a quoted 1001 horsepower


:nod:

[~The Guyver~]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koenigsegg_CCXR


^ based on a ford engine. GASP

According to dyno tests, its more powerfull then the veyron.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

STI vrs. GTO muscle Vs Jap

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=105773

offical

[c-towNsawedOFF]

like i said, muscleis drag, import is everything else

even know a 276 h.p evo 9 runs 13.2 stock

[~The Guyver~]

Again supercharged, against a GTO, which those arent even american they are built in australia.And the LS2's in those are tuned down, so they dont compare to the corvette LS2's.

And again its 4wd, didnt win on the strip but they preffered it because of the handling with the 4wd, and a better interior.Wtf, if im looking for power i dont care who's got the better interiour and more trunkspace.

Take the turbocharger off the subaru, and teh GTO will still be putting out more power per square inch.

/notices my LS1 is still faster, and cheaper.

:/

[~The Guyver~]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer_Evolution

14.2 on the quartermile.STILL NOT BAD, but they cant be considered stock in racing standards, because the flywheel they come with.Not to mention this car is as fuckin heavy as my V8 camaro.WTF. Not very good weight/power ratio.

[SilentKiller]

well i like both but i would go for imports

[c-towNsawedOFF]

.............. DO YOU LISTEN, I SAY IMPORT PWNS EVERYTHING BUT THE DRAG STRIP FOOL!!!! and yet you keep telling me how...."domestics are fast....8 second car......show me under 4grand invested that runs 9's"

and shut up about the turbo, only a 4 cylinder motor guy compared to ur gaint 8-12 cylinders

evo. 2.0L ~~~~camaro 4.2L ???

[c-towNsawedOFF]

more of the same

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWZ-7Adkl3M

[~The Guyver~]

Im not talking domestic im talking japanese.Lmao. Dont get so defensive guy. I dont care how much you buy it, im around cars everyday of my life, and i see them all the time.

If you took the turbo off the 2.0 litter, and cut the camaro to a 4 cylinder the camaro 4 cylinder would still be putting out more power. Im nto comparing by just straight power, its a no brainer an 8 cylinder muscle engine is gonna be more powerful im talking about ratio.IF both of these engines had NO speed boosters, and where the same size the american one would still be putting out more power. I dont care about the 9 second evo's because there are only a handfull IN THE WORLD and they cost more then a house 2 build.

BUT im done with this convo, as its turning into an argument and this thread is gonna get closed if it continues.

Edit: Again, same as the last one its got an assload of american fabricated parts, and cost over 80,000 just under the hood. Nohting is stock, and it isnt even a 2.0 engine anymore its a 2.3.And again its KNOWN so much because its only one of the few in THE WHOLE WORLD that can do it.
http://www.norrisdesigns.com/demo9.asp

on that note, im done before we get in to teh trouble.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

same, thats all i was trying to say, turbo is needed for power, on domestics its not. different builds, different ways of getting gains, ect. glad you understand teh point

[c-towNsawedOFF]

btw that car is a beast, you cant lie. lol

[I'm a Flip]

Import!!

[~The Guyver~]

Oh hell yea it is.lol. I understand where ur coming from, jsut trying 2 make u see my point. And the gain in technology on those is comin fast. I dont doubt that in the next few years the ratio on alot of those cars in terms of size/ power will beat american cars but as it is now if they where on even footings american cars are putting out more power per square inch.And just the fact that you can get parts easier for american muscle, makes them alot cheaper 2 build. Them powerhouse 350's dont need as much to make them haul more ass then tehy already do.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

its cool, i know what your saying :)

[Krayzie7th]

i dont see y it matters hp/liter it just sounds like an excuse to me, i dont care if u have more hp/liter the fact is that at the end im putting more hp thats it.Its just like a lot rotary guys always have dat argument but at then end they are putting 300rhwp when some v8's are putting way more with less work.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

oo yea, imports are winning

[~The Guyver~]

First time for everything huh?

[Deee]

oo yea, imports are winning
thats because a lot of people considere european cars as imports since there is no euro section, well and they damn sure aint domestic.
personally I rather have a new Camaro then a new S2000

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i think your in luck then Dee, because if im not mistaken honda stopped production on the s2000...honda stopped production on all thier sports cars

prelude - gone
crx - gone
integra - gone
rsx - gone

i think all they got left is the nsx and civic si

[Deee]

i think your in luck then Dee, because if im not mistaken honda stopped production on the s2000...honda stopped production on all thier sports cars

prelude - gone
crx - gone
integra - gone
rsx - gone

i think all they got left is the nsx and civic si
damn i didnt know they stopped producing S2000, not many import racers left

[~The Guyver~]

european cars > japanese cars.

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im not 100% sure on the s2000 because i stil see some at a local dealer...they could be used though...or just unsold, but I agree with feildy euros > asians

[memfrysrboi]

i think your in luck then Dee, because if im not mistaken honda stopped production on the s2000...honda stopped production on all thier sports cars

prelude - gone
crx - gone
integra - gone
rsx - gone

i think all they got left is the nsx and civic si
no their still in production, they already gave the ok to go for the 2008 s2000

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oh thats cool then, does that mean new body style?

[Rough Chop Tom]

i dont see y it matters hp/liter it just sounds like an excuse to me, i dont care if u have more hp/liter the fact is that at the end im putting more hp thats it.Its just like a lot rotary guys always have dat argument but at then end they are putting 300rhwp when some v8's are putting way more with less work.rotary 1.3L aye.

[Rough Chop Tom]

no thev stopped making the nsx aye? or the latest model is the last model there gonna make or something.

[~The Guyver~]

Anybody know if there are any future plans 2 release the RX7's and 8's again? last I heard, they discontinued them. Prolly cuz of the seals.

[Dinobot]

fuck imports. im all domestic. :taz:

[seeking]

Anybody know if there are any future plans 2 release the RX7's and 8's again? last I heard, they discontinued them. Prolly cuz of the seals.


i dont know but i saw an rx-8 parked next to an rx-7 (the latest rx-7) and omg did they fuck up with the rx-8 design

if they bring it back, they need to go back to the rx-7 styling

[Rough Chop Tom]

rx-8 has a fukn nice interior and is a way better car

[seeking]

well it should be a better car, its like 10 years newer i think right? but the styling on the rx-7 i sso much better imo

[Rough Chop Tom]

yeah man imo the rx-8 is ugly. but the interior is very nice. my mate bought one 3months ago, very flash.

[memfrysrboi]

oh thats cool then, does that mean new body style?
heres the article from super street http://blogs.superstreetonline.com/6206315/street-racing-rides/2008-honda-s2000-cr/index.html

[seeking]

work blocks, ill cehck that link at home

[007]

i dont know but i saw an rx-8 parked next to an rx-7 (the latest rx-7) and omg did they fuck up with the rx-8 design

if they bring it back, they need to go back to the rx-7 styling

the rx-8 looks dope as hell man :snoop:

[~The Guyver~]

Volkswagen Vanogon > RX-8.thnx.

[seeking]

haha the vanagon is the dope

[~The Guyver~]

true dat.I would sport one.

[c-towNsawedOFF]

well, looks like this thread is done, nice reponses though and i am proud to say....imports win!!!!

[seeking]

it aint done, only 54 people have seen it..and only 37 have voted, as the forum grows a larger user base more people will chime in

[Deee]

also I would like to switch my vote, I do prefer muscle over rice, I though European cars (german and italian are my favorite)counted as import

[c-towNsawedOFF]

they do, bmw and so on are imports. i just argued the point from a jap. prospective

[~The Guyver~]

Now make a thread for Japanese Vs European Vs American lets see who wins.thnx.

[seeking]

i think american muscle would win that one, the euro option would be like nader in the presidential elections

[~The Guyver~]

Lol. CLose this thread, and open a new one and find out silly. Sticky it 2.thnx.

[seeking]

i dont wanna make it, you make it!

i'll sticky it if you make it

[~The Guyver~]

/makes it.

[seeking]

/stickied it

[~The Guyver~]

/ <3's u

[c-towNsawedOFF]

Now make a thread for Japanese Vs European Vs American lets see who wins.thnx.

:snoop:

japs no question

[~The Guyver~]

:snoop:

[Rare]

To tell the truth, I can't really side on this one. I like and dislike some cars wheter they be domestics or imports. The important thing here is that people should enjoy what ever car they own. Drop some $ in to any car and it will run fast, just remember though there is always someone faster.

[~The Guyver~]

/beats you all in my geo-metro