Please read, it's about Outkast...

[Gravity]

"Petition Against Native American Stereotypes at the 2004
GRAMMYS"

If you can support the petition PLEASE PASS IT ALONG FAR AND
WIDE!! The quicker the signatures start coming in, the more impact this will have -- Thank
you

http://www.petitiononline.com/2outkast/petition.html


Show your support!

*~Peace and Blessings~*

[Dat Nizzle]

I'm don't support this
petition.

Why someone might ask?

Because they need to get over it and move
on.

[Gravity]

If Ozzie did a show with black
slave girl dancers... I think an apology would have been issued the very next day.


Don't say it's not the same thing... because it is...

[Gravity]

Hun... I'm native and I'm black
and I'm puerto rican. I know how I would feel if I saw something like that... and I know how I
feel about this... it is the same thing.

Like I said somewhere else... it's like in this
country, Natives are seen as history... issues concerning Native people are always put on the
backburner, with hopes that they're just forgotten.

Did you know that there were
Natives that were sterilized without having KNOWLEDGE OF IT.... in the 90s??? No... not the
1890s... the 1990s. Yet another attempt to get rid of the Native popluation. What better way to
"control" the population than to make people infertile without them knowing. People don't
realize the racial issues that are still going on in this country. The Native population is small in
comparison... so it's a hell of a lot easier to turn your head. Had such things happened in the
black community, everyone knows what would have happened. If Native people started
chaos over the things that happened they'd just as soon be shot for it. And even that
wouldn't get much major media attention.

I have a friend that can tell you about the
"white's only" sign STILL on display outside of the rez he used to stay on. If black people
lived in that area... it would NOT be there. My thing isn't that blacks or latinos have it
"easier"... my thing is that certain things are just not as acceptable. And it's shameful in this
country to do certain things, at least in public, ....and seemingly as long as the popluation isn't
large (or serious) enough to do some financial damage.

But to those of you that think
this is a "small" issue... I want you to remember this when "Urban Renewal" REALLY starts to
pick up.... and ummm... try not "make a big deal about it".... :roll:

[was72]

I'm don't support this petition.

Why someone might
ask?

Because they need to get over it and move on.

[Gravity]

But to those of you that think this is a "small" issue... I want you
to remember this when "Urban Renewal" REALLY starts to pick up.... and ummm... try not
"make a big deal about it".... :roll:

[Mista Rip]

blah blah blah


get
over it.. u'r not even full of any of those,. u'r just part of each

[Gravity]

No hun... I am full. I'm full in
heart and I'm full in culture. That's who I am, and that's how I was raised. Sorry if you have
a problem that that. But I don't.

But you know crazie... it's a little messed up when
what people call "enjoying" life messes with the lives of others. What's your problem with
affirmative action? Why mention it? Enjoy life right?

I've heard just as many whites
complain about affirmative action and equal treatement for minorities, as I have minorities
complain about being mistreated. Obviously the "good ole boys" the klan didn't know how to
umm... suck it up.

Maybe if "white" america knew how to treat non-white america we
wouldn't need affirmative action, and we wouldn't need to stand up against racism,
stereotypes, and civil injustice.

As a white person it's easy to say that... but you
weren't raised sitting in a class room listening to teachers talk about how bad your race is. Nor
were you (and your race as a whole) raised with SEVER hair and color complexes... to the
POINT of being racist against your own people.

Nah... you don't know. But hopefully
you will.

[RevrsdManifstDstiny]

wow "forgetting to a beer or
alchohol in everyone's hand"... well, coming from a household of nothing but native
americans, and none of us drink alchohol, or use drugs, nor even smoke cigarettes... sounds
to me like someone's completely off base. then again uneducated dumbasses usually speak
out of line like that. then how could some dumbass even know what we're really like, when
all they see is what society wants to them to see. last i heard pocahontas lived in an aarea
where there are not any caves with pictographs...then she moved to england with john smith
(true story). but if cave drawings are not considered art... i guess pretty much all of europe and
africa's art work before the birth of "W. Civilization" woudn't be considered art either.
technically a lot of the petroglyphs of egypt wouldn't be either, since they were carved inside
of caves in the valley of hte king's. can't say white people ever created much music either,
rock-n-roll and coutnry is after all directly descended from the blues. this country's bill of rights
(the basis of our government) was taken from the iroquois confederacy's government as well.
the outfits of the people in the performance were actually mockeries of the plains and
canadian forest nations bucksin clothing... andlast time i looked at any traditional outfit, people
had very little skin showing, and people were not shaking they ass cheeks so hard they jiggled
like a bowl of jello. just some ideaas to think about before you go flapping off at the keyboard
like a metally disabled pre-pubescant idiot.

[Gravity]

We have plenty to "gripe" about.
What you may ask? The ignorant ass walking around with the same mentality as you, and
happen to be running our government with your same view point. That's what. You take after
your uncle sam. He would be proud. :-)

"White America gives Non-White America hand
outs. What more do u want??"

How about to be treated like human beings. How
about for white america to stay out of native affairs. How about for white america to pay up
and give back what is owed and what was agreed upon.

"That statement could be
misconstrued to you saying that you believe all white people are klan members or how you put
it "good ole boys""

Yeah.. I'm sure it could be. So just try not to do so.

When I
said, "Nah... you don't know. But hopefully you will."... I meant it. And I still do. See... if you
do happen to be a minority... your statement below shows how ignorant you are.

"It's
already bad enough with the blacks and their "affirmative action" or what I like to call "special
rights for puttin them in slavery even tho I had nothing to do with that"."

And again... if
you are a minority... like I said earlier... wait for Urban Renewal to pick up... ;-) And... lol... try to
enjoy it. It's part of life and all. You know... and yeah... try not to make a big deal out of it
ok?RevrsdManifstDstiny can tell you how to make "ocean spray"... you're probably gonna
need it....

But even if you happen to be the ummm... "wrong kind of white" you might
get a chance to have a little fun too...

But hey... you're a "bone head" right... what do
you think they would have to say about your statement about affirmative action.... "It's already
bad enough with the blacks and their "affirmative action" or what I like to call "special rights
for puttin them in slavery even tho I had nothing to do with that"."

I won't even tell you
what I think your "racial" problem is. :-)

I'll just leave it at this hun.... :-)

*~Peace
and Blessings~*

[Gravity]

ROFLMFAO... hun... you need to
stop getting your news from NBS. And find out what's really going on in the world. Your idea
of what the Native community gets is sorrrrrrrrrrrrely twisted. I'm not going to worry about going
back and forth with you. It's pointless. And it's my fault for losing my grounding. Anyways...
I'm going to leave you with a repeated thought... as my final though. This is what white
american gives to the Native people:

(F.Y.I: White america is off the rez and those that
run it. You've never seen a rez, nor do you know much about it. So I'm sure you wouldn't
know the difference.)

"Did you know that there were Natives that were sterilized
without having KNOWLEDGE OF IT.... in the 90s??? No... not the 1890s... the 1990s. Yet
another attempt to get rid of the Native popluation. What better way to "control" the population
than to make people infertile without them knowing. People don't realize the racial issues that
are still going on in this country. The Native population is small in comparison... so it's a hell of
a lot easier to turn your head. Had such things happened in the black community, everyone
knows what would have happened. If Native people started chaos over the things that
happened they'd just as soon be shot for it. And even that wouldn't get much major media
attention.

I have a friend that can tell you about the "white's only" sign STILL on
display outside of the rez he used to stay on. If black people lived in that area... it would NOT
be there. My thing isn't that blacks or latinos have it "easier"... my thing is that certain things
are just not as acceptable. And it's shameful in this country to do certain things, at least in
public, ....and seemingly as long as the popluation isn't large (or serious) enough to do some
financial damage."

[Gravity]

LOL... WOW... YOU'RE
OFFICALLY AN NDN... AND... you know it all too. ;-) Those things mean little if anything at all
hun. Aside from the points you made (and your ignorant statement about infertility begin cause
by drinking), the little information you have from what few people you know... is just a small
percent.

A friend of mine can tell you what they gave him... a little land. How large? 5'
by 6' .... Please don't try to insult my intellegence or make it look like you know more than
you actually do. Cuz it's obvious you're either BSing, or you only have a small portion of the
entire story.

You know what though. My first thought of what you had to say is that
you're completely ignorant. And I change my mind. You're ignorant in regards to this. And
oddly enough, I'm not trying to say that as an insult. Everyone is ignorant inregards to
something.

Anyways, I don't want to continue this conversation with you because it's
causing me to speak in a way that is hostile and rude. And just because you chose to be rude
doesn't mean I'm right in doing the same. So... I apologize for calling you an ass and
thanking you for dying in the other forum. :-)

Everything else I said still stands. And it's
obvious that you're limited knowledge of Native people has taught you little. I can't be mad
at you for that. The same way I can't be mad at a lot of things people do.

Anyways...
I'm done with this topic as far as you are concerned. And if I called anyone else a dumbass in
the process of all this I am sorry. But I am not sorry for anything else I said, and I still stand firm
by my position.

The fact remains... Andre needs to apologize.

*~Peace and
Blessings~*

[Gravity]

Well... sorry if you don't like me
calling you hun. That's the way I happen to talk to everyone. But... maybe I'd be nice and
stop that if you showed a little more respect instead of jumping the gun simply because you
thought the issue was stupid.

Next... I haven't really been wrong on anything thus far.
Everything I've stated is evident from your posts. Pardon. Only one thing possible that I don't
know... and that's your race. And I've already spoke on that issue.

Anyways... more
than likely... I am older than you. (At least I hope I am. lol)

But you know what, it's all
love though. There was no point in you bringing drama to this thread just to prove a point if you
didn't agree. Especially seeing as you didn't prove anything to anyone that didn't agree with
you in the first place. But I really don't have the time or energy to waste going back and forth
with you because of petty remarks.

Whatever though... it's all love.

*~Peace
and Blessings~*

[Gravity]

I wasn't trying to prove anything
at all. That wasn't the point of me posting the link. It got into "arguements" when people
started making comments about the issue being stupid. I posted the link for those that actually
do care, and would be interested.

Anyways, Like I said in the other thread, I'm not
racist at all. I'm just against the actions of this country. Not the country, not the people in it.
The problem is that it's a cycle ... it's not just the government. It would be ignorant for ANY
race to blame ALL of it's problems on the government. The problems that we have for the
most part are self-imposed.

As a society, we don't care about this country. No one
liked bush, nor was anyone actually PROUD to be american (for the most part) until 9/11. The
problem isn't just how we treat natives, or blacks, or latinos. But how whites are treated in
non-white areas as well. We don't choose what race we're born. Just like children don't
choose what area they're born in. They can't control that.

But we can end the cycle.
It's up to us though. The problem is that people in this country are too worried about keeping
up with the jones' and have a false sense of security. They don't care about people that are
having financial trouble or that need governement assistance till they need it themselves. And
that's when everyone comes running over with their hands stuck out.

The bottom line
is that people have no heart. And they simply don't care.

[Rick James]

Fuck alll that Rick James Says
"SHOW ME JANET JACKSON TITTY AGAIN!!!!!!"

[Gravity]

How is that racist? Or at least I
should ask how it SOUNDS more racist than anything you've said.

America being
"white" america is a fact. That doesn't include all whites, nor does that include just whites.
Jesse Jackson is a good example of the product of "white" america. That must mean I'm
racist against him, and oprah, and numerous other minorities that are feeding the cycle.


It's a term that used for "the system", not my term. Nor do I think it's racist if it is not
used in a racist way. I don't think saying "Native America" Or "Black America" Or "Latin
America" is any more racist...

There is a clear line when you're stepping of the rez
between the two countries.

[Gravity]

How is that racist? Or at least I
should ask how it SOUNDS more racist than anything you've said.

America being
"white" america is a fact. That doesn't include all whites, nor does that include just whites.
Jesse Jackson is a good example of the product of "white" america. That must mean I'm
racist against him, and oprah, and numerous other minorities that are feeding the cycle.


It's a term that used for "the system", not my term. Nor do I think it's racist if it is not
used in a racist way. I don't think saying "Native America" Or "Black America" Or "Latin
America" is any more racist...

There is a clear line when you're stepping of the rez
between the two countries.

[Gravity]

What the hell are you talking
about? He's not being sued. This is about nothing more than people asking for an apology.
That's it. :roll:

[Dat Nizzle]

I'm reminded of an old Sinbad
comedy show where he went on to say that how can you discover a country with people
already on it, its like me saying I discovered your car, so the radio is mine.

The early
Europeans that settled this land is White America. The Native Americans in this country were
butchered and taken advantage of. How would anyone consider taking a tribe that was
settled in a region for centuries and just kick them out because the colonists wanted the region
for their own development. The Native Americans in this country were ripped off, they were
given clothes but clothes soaked in viruses so they kill off most if not the whole
tribe.

These same early White America also brought over Africans with the help of other
Africans and sold them to America as slaves.

When I say white America, I don't speak
of our generation because it actually makes me mad when minorities blame white America for
their troubles when it was White America of several generations ago. Either way, America
today are paying back descendants of slaves retribution and these "hand outs" might be a
way of today's generation to pay back for their ancestors cruelty.

Before anyone
assumes I'm racist, I am NOT, I do feel the phrase "all men are created equal" still doesn't
apply fully as it should. I believe that phrase and think there is no specific group its pointed at.
I am latino, first generation in the U.S. and I've seen some stereotypes towards my people,
some things that may seem insensitive but I laugh at it because I find it amusing. Every group
gets make fun of.

How about that guy from American Idol, that Chinese guy who is
gaining popularity from his She Bang performance. Right now the Chinese could say he's
being made into a joke and is disrespecting our people.

Thie world is very tricky and I
will never fully understand how one thing can make a person laugh, be entertaining and the
next act could be insensitive and degrading to a culture. That's just the way it is. We're a
long way from perfecting the phrase "All Men Are Created Equal" It should read "All Humans
are Created Equal" Much better.

As far as the Native American's petitioning the
grammies because it degraded them or whatever, I say get over it because seriously, that's
what a lot of people need to do, get over it and wait for a bigger fight to fight.

[Gravity]

First, I'd like to make if clear that
I'm not trying to force anyone to sign it. So... it's not a big deal when someone chooses not
to. I have a problem with people saying "get over it".

Native people are third class
citizens in this country. Not just below the minorities that have been here for generations, but
below the imigrants that have just gotten here from haiti, cuba, japan, poland.

You're
not third class in this country neither are "your" people. The arguement posed by some that
I'm not 100% (in blood) in completely irrelevant. I feel the effects of all sides from pride in
culture to discrimination.

There are some "racist" things in this country that you do
laugh off because they're more stupid than funny. I'm an adult though. What about my son?
He's only 2 and has already been called, taco bell, geronimo, nigglet, and tar baby (though
the last two were not said directly to him). These things continue to come out of the mouths of
ignorant people because a lot of it is still SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE.

There isn't racial
equality in neither north or south americas. It's not about "whinning" every time someone
offends us. But about make a point that we do not support racism nor stereotypes. My ex was
fresh from Puerto Rico and spoke no english, let managed to live here for 9 months before he
began to learn any english at all. Almost everywhere you go in the major US cities, there's
someone that speaks spanish. No, this isn't a bad thing to me. It's not a bad thing that
bilingual people make more money (even one of the women my mom supervises makes more
money than her for being bilingual). And of course, not all people make more money for
speaking more than one language. The point here isn't that it's an "issue" to me, I actually
like that. The point is... this is just one way that this country appeases latino people. (Though in
the long run, it's probably in the best interest of the government anyways.)

It's easier
to make light of native people because oddly enough most people aren't around Native
people on a daily basis, or at least I should say... they don't know that they are. How would
they tell the difference, if the individual didn't make a point of stating it.

Native culture
and native people are "history" in this country. And the US would rather just quietly die out, or
blend in, what have you. It's ok, because they don't think anyone is listening, and if they are,
what are they gonna do about it.

It's just NOW coming to pass that stereotypes of
latinos are LESS acceptable in SOME ways. But alll stereotypes of Native Americans are still
here. It's too much work for people in this country to actually take the time out to learn about
native cultures. Not worth the time or the effort. They already have enough trouble trying to
"work things out" with the larger minority groups.

I've never had to defend being
hispanic to the outside world. Even though I have experienced racism, I've never been out
right MOCKED because of it. I've never had to defend being black to the outside world. Even
though I've experienced racism, I've never been out right MOCKED because of it. I say
these things in that way because these issues are still within my family. I have a very racist
family. And yeah... I had to grow up listening to how niggers are no good, how crazy spics are,
how dirty they are, and plenty of things about the indians too. As well, my parents did too. Not
only that, my parents had to sit in class rooms telling them what was soooooo bad about their
people. Racism, literally being taught to them, and directed at them. And plenty of other older
Native people will tell you the same thing (probably even some closer to my age as
well).

But in the outside world, I was literally and deliberately MOCKED because of my
Native back ground. In my neighborhood, grade school, junior high, high school, etc. I was at
a Pow-wow once and saw a man there with his son. "LOOK THERE GOES A REAL INDIAN"
is what the man said to him. As though he were at a zoo or something. Sadly enough I've
heard a similar statement directed at myself on the street. Yeah, I was insulted. But when it
comes to such issues of at least some degree of racial sensitivity, I don't think we should still
be making such excuses for adults.

Imagine how people would react to that same man
if he did that to blacks or latinos.

No... I don't think any one minority group "has it
good". And just for the record, I am against reparations. And if I get a check, I'm sending it
back. There is no amount of money that can be paid to ease the pain of the minority people in
this country. Sure, I agree that even whites experience a healthy amount of racism as well.
And I have seen the effects of that, from those that are angry to those that are "overly
sensitive".... those that literally wish that they weren't white. But money isn't going to bring
me more equality as far as my races and cultures go. It's not going to bring that to my son.


We're still getting over the past. Parts of the past are still here in a lot of ways. It's not
about telling everyone, ok... let's stop being racist. But about using the media, our schools,
and other sources of information to show and teach people about the issues in this country.
It's not about folding to the demands of all, or giving people complexes about what they can
and cannot say.

It's about being sensitive to what you don't understand. And as we
can't teach sensitivity as easily, it's now about teaching the public about the other cultures
that are here in a respectful way. And letting old stereotypes DIE as far as our main stream
media and educational materials. But the longer we continue to say GET OVER IT, the longer
we will have to deal with racism and stereotypes to this degree.

One more thing I
would like to point out again is that, there is no "religion" in native culture. Your religion is your
way of life, just like most other tribal societies around the world. So it wasn't just against an
entire race, but against "religions" as well. (And not just one religion, as there are many Native
nations with their own individual cultures.)

*~Peace and Blessings~*

[Dat Nizzle]

Its all good points Jai, I'm feeling
you. Maybe this idea of get over it shouldn't be instilled in us but we must accept that some
of these stereotypes have to go, but thats just the thing, half of the entertainment industry is
based on stereotypes. Its very unfortunate that Native Americans get less say than any other
"minority" in this country, it really is and maybe by signing that petition, we help them get that
voice they've always needed. Its obvious among themselves as a whole, they are weak. No
matter how much the population continues to increase, whether its Blacks, Latinos, Asians,
whomever, the Native Americans are the ones that continue to die off from this land that was
rightfully theirs and no one elses. They were ripped of their culture and acts like this maybe is
defiant of their struggle.

Maybe I went off the deep end with my last post and I am
human and had time to put it more into thought because I understand of my own people's
struggle to gain respectability and acceptance. My family came from a very poor upringing in
their homeland and were branded because of it so no matter where you from, its a struggle for
all. Coming to this land is one thing, but when you were already here and basically pushed
aside by outside forces, it just wasn't right. No one had claim to this land but the Native
American tribes that existed here centuries before.

Whats unfortunate and this is my
take on it, the Europeans were at the time, they thought were civilized. When they across
lands where people had basically nothing on, or living so primitavely, they assumed they were
inferior. That's the thinking that destroyed and ruined it all. What if they came to Africa or
America and found a populized city or culture similiar to theirs, it would be a whole different
world because the Europeans wouldn't have seen these people as inferior because they
didn't live in a brick house. Know what I mean.

This is thinking that has lasted for
centuries and it will be hard to kill in just decades. Its progess that continues to let us grow as
a species but none the less, we would have to erase thousands of years of history to give
those Native Americans the chance they greatly deserve. They have a long way to go and I
think by the time they even have that chance to boom their voice, there would only be a few
left and what then?

Very very unfortunate and I didn't mean to downplay the
seriousness of the stereotypes and discrimination that still exists in this country and around the
world because its no way near a laughing matter.

Jai, as a young boy, I faced the same
shit your son is facing. I was called all types of names refering to a Mexican stereotype and
whats crazy, I wasn't no where near Mexican so I know its painful and whether it was against
your people or not, its still a problem because if its not them, then its us.

I felt my post
wasn't as responsible but I hope this one clears it up a little more. I enjoy your posts because
you talk from the heart. I have much respect for you.

[Gravity]

First, I would like to point out that
not all native people wore little clothes. That is just another stereotype of native people. Think
about the natives in what are now New York, Canada, Washington, Illinois, etc. Even most of
the native people in the southern states were fully clothed. The US is in the northern
hemisphere. We have winters up here, even if it's only 60 degrees. It's people that are closer
to the equator that are known for not wearing as much clothing.

Secondly, I would like
to point out the movements of the 60s, and how far we came from the 60s to the 80s as far as
the stuggles of "minorities", more so african americans. There were dynamic changes made, in
just 20 years. No, it didn't all happen over night. But those movements opened a lot of doors
and planted a lot of seeds for progress. The issues with the Native and US relations are a bit
different though. First and foremost, the government would rather give a few small handouts
than land. It's more profitable that way. Secondly, the US doesn't want sovernty of Native
nations. Meaning... we're our own nations with in this nation. So, it's pretty much that the US
doesn't want to hold up to prior agreements, in addition to the issues of racism. They know
that they're not in the right, and would rather the Native people intermix or not be here so they
would have less to worry about.

If there were more unity in the Native community, I
don't see why we would need to "die out". Sure there are some that acculturate supposedly
for better standards of living, those that fall victim to drugs and alcohol, and then there are
those that aren't going anywhere; plenty that have taken arms in the past and are good and
ready to do so again. I only know 1 native person that isn't very concerned with Native
affairs. Half would rather work peacefully, and the other half would work "by any means
necessary" (but many are all talk). We're not stupid though (but I know one that is =-p). And
we're not going to just put our lives on the line for a fight that we can't win. And we're not
winning as many of the battles that we should be because dirty politics, "natives" in high
places working against the cause for money and power (personal interest). As well as... those
that want peace vs those that want to make some noise (all be it organized and civil).


We have disharmony with in nations, and agaisnt other nations. It's similar to the
issues of other minority groups in this country. The difference is that we have more to lose, and
a little more to over come (more demands).

But if people really cared, a lot of things
could be different about this country, as well as other countries. I remember I was a bit
sickened by the racism that I saw in Mexico. I couldn't believe that people of the same race,
and cultures (at some point down the line) could be so openly racist. I've seen it here, but it
seemed to be worse to me listening to it over there.

At any rate, large changes can be
made in a short period of time. Not just from the 60s to the 80s, as far as the civil rights
movement; but look at the technological advances. People learn how to adapt, even if they
don't like the change very much in the beginning.

It's just a matter of people caring.
And the only way to make most people care is to show them how the issue directly effect
them.

*~Peace and Blessings~*

[Gravity]

"Talk show host Conan O'Brien apologized Wednesday for
offending any French Canadians during his NBC show's visit to Toronto last week, but not
before trying to wring some laughs out of the flap.

"People of Quebec, I'm sorry,"
O'Brien said on NBC's "Late Night" telecast early Wednesday.

He had his remarks
"translated" into French and subtitled: "People of Quebec, I'm an albino
jackass."

"We meant no harm with our comedy piece the other night," O'Brien
said.

The translation: "The other night, I wet the bed like a little girl."

And so
on.

O'Brien's cantankerous sock puppet, Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, drew the ire
of French Canadian separatists with some of his jokes last week.

O'Brien did a week
of shows from Toronto to try and pump up the SARS-disrupted economy.

"You're in
North America, learn the language," the puppet hollered at one couple encountered at a visit
to Quebec City's Winter Carnival.

"It's too late, but it's better than not giving his
apology," said Madeleine Meilleur, Ontario's minister of culture and francophone affairs on
Wednesday. "The comments should never have been made."" <--- From MSN.com


http://entertainment.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=150233

[Dat Nizzle]

In a nutshell, its messed up these
type of things continue to plague our world. If we could just wipe it away, it would make
everyone's lives so much easier but unfortunately, its not that way. I guess its little steps we
have to take to eventually reach the promise land where none of this type of stereotypes
exist.

You caught me off guard, I kept saying native americans wore little at all, and
though it was the case with some tribes, it wasn't with every tribe. I apologize for that
mistake. I was making an overall judgement, I didn't mean to stereotype them that way but
that goes to show the thinking of many, that its so easy to stereotype without knowing the
whole truth, I may not know the whole truth but its out there to discover if you have the open
mind to discover it.

[Gravity]

Yeps. :-)

I wasn't upset
by what you said or anything. LOL... I mean I do understand that a lot of people don't really
know, or at least don't know very much about native cultures. So, I am used to some things.
It's the same with andre... I'm not mad at him, but I might become "mad" (if you could call it
that) if he doesn't handle the situation the right way though. That's all this is about.


LOL... conan didn't mean to offend, so he said sorry. You didn't mean to, and you
said it too. LOL... what's the delay with this situation. That's what I fail to comprehend
reasonably, you know.

But yeah, it is a changing process, a promoting process, and an
educational process. It just takes those of us that do care to actually fight for it. Sure it will be
smaller steps once things get moving, but it's gonna take a big push to get the ball rolling.
:-)

*~Peace and Blessings~*

[Gravity]

of course a self-proclaimed
"anti-star" would say that.... *blink*

If you don't care... why bother posting? Not
posting shows that you don't care also, just in a nicer way.

But yeah... I still love you
anyways.

PEACE

[Gravity]

Part of being grown up is taking
responsiblity. One that's not taking responsibility doesn't know much about being "grown
up". :-)

[Gravity]

*blink* LOL... I'll let you know
when I draw the logical connection from what you just said. :-)

It's funny because...
what "other people" might call a loser could be anything. I could be a loser if I'm not a
millionaire to "other people". I could be a loser to "other people" simply because I have faith in
the One that is greater than myself. To "other people" I could be a loser simply because of my
ethnic background. So ummm... I've learned not to let the judgement of others weigh in how I
define myself long ago. :-)

But... the definition of "responsiblity" isn't changed because
of the OPINIONS of "other people". Responsibilty is owning up to your actions, and the
actions of what you happen to represent. If I represent my family, it is my responsiblity to hold
my weight in this family. And even sometimes the weight of others when they're having a hard
time doing it on their own.

If I represent my country, it is my responsibility to carry my
own weight as a citizen, and even sometimes the weight of others if they can't manage to be
"responsible" themselves.

If my represent the Most High, it is my responsibility to
represent HIM in the proper way, even when others may not. In addition to sometimes helping
others find their way.

If my responsiblity is my job, SCHOOL, the up keep of my home,
those are things that have to take care of to the best of my ability.

And if being
responsibile makes me a loser to those that have yet to "grow up"... then so be it.
:-)

Still love you though... ;-)

*~Peace and Blessings~*

[Dat Nizzle]

If you feel this is not
worth arguing over, why even bother to post anything. Its that easy. Now if you want to come
in and post your two cents, thats one thing but being this is sort of a debate, then expect
people to respond.

If you didn't want too, you didn't have to walk in here and be all
ignit!

[Dat Nizzle]

I never claimed to be
the boss my friend. Speak your mind but put a little extra thought into it instead of shooting
from the hip, thats all I am saying.