Improving what kids are taught in school = Improved society & future [Archive]

ShyLoVe*

07-26-2005, 08:02 PM

I was just thinking about this today...

There are so many valuable things that weren't taught in school (primary and highschool). Things such as:-

Organisation
Time Management
Money Management
Budgeting
Saving sex for marriage (and why)
Essay structure
They could start by having teachers improve on stuff like (organisation) and the kids would pick up off the teacher. Like, if the teacher was totally organised and we set out due dates, what we needed to be done when etc... wouldn't that be a good example for the kids and help them organise everything better? Teachers are role models whether the students admit to it or not, schools should start with them.

Sorry, I've rushed through this, break is over, but do you understand what I'm getting at? Anyone agree/disagree? Comments?

ShyLoVe*

07-26-2005, 08:08 PM

oh yeah, given they are listening and actually learning and using these valuable lessons/skills, they leave school knowing all these things, it SHOULD result in better productivity at work, a better society etc...

P.S.

07-26-2005, 08:09 PM

I agree with you totally...but the funny thing is that if you listen to an interview that 2pac gave when he was 15 years old in his Thug Angel movie...he said the EXACT same thing you just did....except he said the teachers should be teaching classes on drugs, police brutatilty, scams, gangs...etc... (this was in inner cities) ...but instead we have classes on ...gym

ShyLoVe*

07-26-2005, 08:11 PM

true... I've never even seen that movie

P.S.

07-26-2005, 08:30 PM

its a damn good movie...even if you dont like pac that much, youll appreciate him afterwards.....

Anyhow as to the point of the thread, schools are the way they are now b/c as far as education goes as an industry it's sole purpose of existence has always been to teach rudimentary things that are learned from books. Real life issues such as sex, drugs, and any modern day life complications are not taught (some schools touch on them ) because it would be saw as disrupting parenting. These are the types of things that have always been the role of the parents to teach since the beginning of schooling. However, with the state of parenting as it is today, especially in the inner cities, it would be very wise and beneficial to our society to start teaching these issues in their schools so that kids do not learn things off the streets.

A Pimp Named

07-27-2005, 08:19 PM

read ishmael by daniel quinn.

the tell me whats wrong with our schools

Knuckles

07-29-2005, 03:42 PM

wtf is time management?

http://www.btnhboard.com/forums/hosted_images/burningpiss5kh.jpg

ShyLoVe*

07-30-2005, 02:35 AM

=/ ever heard of "time is money"?

Time management is what is says - manage time. For most people it costs them money if they waste time, so if they manage their time wisely, they would be gaining money instead of wasting it.

Knuckles

07-30-2005, 11:46 PM

^^ how confusin =|

Gravity

07-31-2005, 10:11 AM

I agree 100%. Also.... effective note taking! I didn't have anyone in school teach me that. I had to go to a saturday college prep program to make sure I was ready for it. It was a pain going on saturdays, but I actually learned a lot just in the few weeks I stuck with it.

That was like a decade ago and I'm still using those note taking methods! I think things like that should at least be taught in high school. And not just the little bullets, underlining, and indenting that they taught us in grade school either.
I learned about budgeting and money management, how to use credit cards and such.... we had to a course in that before we graduated. The teacher did try to teach us a little about organization, but I think that's something that should be taught in elementary school.

I had sex ed twice and both courses discussed why we should wait till marriage, but probably not as much as they could have. The second time I had it was health class, and we also talked about not drinking as well. (Like I listened to that.) But then the teacher turned around and told the class we could get drunk off of vanilla extract. *blink*

ANYWAYS... lol... I think that they should try different methods of making the few useful things they teach stick. More stress and INTERACTIVE projects and discussions.

ShyLoVe*

07-31-2005, 10:15 PM

It definitely would've helped if I was taught effective note taking!

Silent Killa

08-01-2005, 12:07 PM

Organisation - i'm disorganized, my filing cabinet pretty much looks like a trash can
Time Management - one word: procrastinator
Money Management - I'm broke
Budgeting - can't buy anything when you're broke
Saving sex for marriage (and why) - too late
Essay structure - Ah, something I know... Introduction, Body, Conclusion. Badabing, badaboom!

ShyLoVe*

08-01-2005, 02:56 PM

hahaha, thanks steve

I love organising, my next purchase will be a labeller

The Great One

08-01-2005, 03:44 PM

Yeah I agree with all of that. To me its like school teaches you all the technical stuff but they leave out some very important information. Only when you start working, you begin to realize how much was left out.

Gravity

08-01-2005, 04:04 PM

LOL... yeah I love to be organized and I love organizing just as much. But 75% of the time I'm not organized very well. Or at least I should say.... I have a messy order about things. Like I loooooved clerical work. Sounds crazy.... lol... like who'd REALLY want to do that stuff if they had a choice. But I actually enjoyed it. And you know, I find that the busier I get the harder it is for me to stay organized (which I'm sure is typical for most). And, of course, my time management SUCKS! lol

I'm usually pretty good with money, though I run into problems when there are sales on office supplies or cosmetics. I love sales. :-) *sigh*

As far as note taking.... skip lines (at least one), write large and neatly, alternate colors (use at least 3 different pen colors). Like... when I first take notes you can't read them very well because I'm trying to keep up with the Prof. But when I get home, I rewrite all of my notes so they're neat and the key things, or things I might forget, stick out more (different color stars, double underlining, highlighting, etc). Rewriting them alone helps you remember them. And using a lot of different colors helps things stick out. LOL.... like you might remember one thing you were having trouble with was green, etc. It helps A LOT.

ShyLoVe*

08-01-2005, 04:18 PM

I'll try to remember that =) thanks Miss Jai

Knuckles

08-01-2005, 04:30 PM

ima highschool graduate... i cant manage time...im not organized..i dont remember half tha vocab i was sposed 2 learn... so im just n average student?

Gravity

08-01-2005, 06:31 PM

LOL... we don't remember most of the things we learned in HS. And we don't even remember most of our gen. eds. from college. I personally don't care much about conic sections. I'm sure that's not information that I'll ever use in my life. By the time my children start learning this, I'm sure I will have already forgotten this crap.

I think its just something to keep us busy till we're old enough and mature enough to take our (real) courses seriously. LOL... and make up our minds about what we really want to do.

In the meantime, they could teach things that are more useful, like time management. I could use a little bit of that right now. :P

Kophrenic

08-01-2005, 07:15 PM

your right but i can say teachers are not role models to kids...least not most kids. atleast there not to me

Knuckles

08-02-2005, 03:03 PM

what tha hell do u really need geometry 4?

budsmokaonly

08-02-2005, 07:10 PM

true say, schools need to teach us more mature subject matters that will really help us in reality. i disagree with 2pac about eliminating gym cause well, after all those intense courses u want to teach the children, it's very important they can have a course they can ease their minds in and enjoy themselves while at the same time, keep healthy. it helps u physicaly and mentaly.

but wut u need to also understand is that a school that teaches over a thousand students can not have them all be the same. u know there will be a certain percentage of those kids who will make it hard for u to teach and will end up doing the opposite of wut u show him/her.

i agree that it's still worth it since it could help change many childrens' choices.

Gravity

08-03-2005, 07:23 AM

Yeah, I agree. But at the same time I think it goes back to people doing what they actually love doing for a living vs. just going to work because they have to eat.

There are some teachers that really do care and go out of their way to make sure their students are getting the most out of the class. And of course there are others that think.,.. "either this child wants to learn or he doesn't. that's all on him". But we have to remember that even if a child is resistant, there's usually a good reason for it. And even more so.... that child is still a child. SO.... it doesn't make a lot of sense that we just allow a student to possibly mess up the rest of their adult life because of what they did as a child.

And though we might not be able to get to every child, it would make a huge difference if the vast majority of instructors actually cared about their students more.

P.S.

08-03-2005, 07:28 AM

true say, schools need to teach us more mature subject matters that will really help us in reality. i disagree with 2pac about eliminating gym cause well, after all those intense courses u want to teach the children, it's very important they can have a course they can ease their minds in and enjoy themselves while at the same time, keep healthy. it helps u physicaly and mentaly.

Quick correction...2pac never said they should "eliminate" gym ....he simply mocked that gym seems more important than teaching 'reality' classes...Im sure he was just using it as an example. Gym is very important, especially in fat america

budsmokaonly

08-03-2005, 11:49 AM

^^ hahahaha... true say, i stand corrected.

Knuckles

08-03-2005, 09:39 PM

^^ word

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08-20-2005, 10:56 PM

i wish teachers would actually consider having that in there teaching agenda, but i dont think that would ever be considered through a district, simply because the truth of it all is that teens dont listen, it goes through one ear and out the other, teens have a mind of there own, each individual does, if not they follow the crowd, besides most schools just stick with the basics, i dont see any improvement in the near future, especially in schools when most students are studying for there GED rather then there high school diploma, then again its all the same, people are just getting stupider

ShyLoVe*

08-23-2005, 03:53 PM

It would all start with how you conduct your classes. There's this woman at my gym that I talk to and she goes around the schools and give sex education classes. This woman is really interesting to talk to and you wouldn't know she was in her mid forty's unless she told you. I talk to her like she was one of my girlfriends and she's great.

You know those motivational speakers? I usually listen to those type of people, because they're INTERESTING. If all teachers were like that, taught their classes like they want you to learn this and it's pretty interesting stuff, then I would listen and would have done much better.

If I was a good public speaker I'd be a teacher, but I'm not :(

Prince Cory

08-26-2005, 03:07 AM

Organisation ----- we dnt get that lol

Time Management-------dunno what that is

Money Management ----we get taught this but i dnt do that class becuase i didnt pick it as my opion (comerse)

Budgeting -----learn that in comerse

Saving sex for marriage (and why)-----most kids have already had sex b4 they even get 2 high skool

Essay structure -----dunno what that is either lol, english maybe?

and yeh if the teachers were more organised it would help more, our maths teacher cant control my class for shit we do whatever we want, eat in class, listnin 2 music, play on cellfones, wear the wrong uniform n shit. Same wif my Maori teacher, we go 2 watch a movie 2 learn stuff about our culture and she cant even get the dvd player 2 work because she brought 2 ps2 cable instead of the dvd cable.

soulgatherer

01-29-2006, 09:13 PM

latino bone

01-29-2006, 09:50 PM

I would like a period where we learn....."street smarts". You know, how to talk to people, how to survive with very little and all that stuff....

Curiosity87

01-30-2006, 10:13 AM

I think that gym needs to stay implemented because as a nation America is growing more and more obese and for some of these kids it's the only time that they get exercise. And exercise is an important aspect in overall health, which is something you need even after you forget what was on the geometry test. Secondly, a lot of teachers have recently began feeling the same way. I know that at my highschool I was taught all of those things except for time management in a home ec type class called Life-Skills that the school board was pushing as a required class. Also at the college that I go to there is a class available for one credit hour to those students who feel that they never properly learned how to take notes, or budget their time. However I do agree that notetaking, if not a class should at least be a presentation given to students, or a tutor made available to the kid who is not passing due to the poor skills in that subject area. ShyLove, I do agree though that there should be a mandatory course for all schools, as with the notetaking thing. If my English teacher sophomore year hadn't taught me how to write good notes, I would be so lost in college. Good thought ShyLove.

Silent Killa

02-05-2006, 12:15 AM

Spelling^^^

that's the British way of spelling it

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=organisation

Gravity

02-05-2006, 02:56 AM

Please tell me that we're not that petty on this board.... THIS BOARD that we're picking over spelling.

Andy Jay

02-05-2006, 08:10 AM

I agree, but I think there's some more important things to the agenda. I believe there should be a "Real Life" class. Shows you the dangers of society, shows you options after high school (college/jobs)..This can be covered in one class. I also think there needs to be a tougher curriculum. People always wonder why asians are smart, and its because of their culture. They stress education and by the time they're out of kindergarden, they have a U.S. college education (i'm exagerrating)...I think advancing the curriculum will seriously help out society. People will graduate more intelligent than they are now.

ShyLoVe*

02-05-2006, 04:09 PM

Spelling^^^
Umm, that was spelt right. I live in Australia and that is how we spell it.

That was pretty petty.

Maverick

02-05-2006, 04:52 PM

Maverick

02-05-2006, 04:54 PM

Umm, that was spelt right. I live in Australia and that is how we spell it.

That was pretty petty.

yeah its spelt like that down here....ahhh well same shit.....

Darkchild

02-05-2006, 06:46 PM

Umm, that was spelt right. I live in Australia and that is how we spell it.

That was pretty petty.

Ownzed.

Did i spell that right?

but if you were down here you would realise that from all the work you have to get in before the HSC comes around, you have no time what so ever to do anything else...

i know this coz i just did my HSC last yearand in the last term, we were frantically trying to get everything in on time....

HSC is no big deal

I was getting drunk throughout the HSC and studied the night before for each of my exams, except 3u maths and i still got 93.85

:krazy:

Karwil

02-05-2006, 08:12 PM

I didn't even do HSC or TEE and I still got into uni.

Karwil

02-05-2006, 08:17 PM

Organisation is spelt right. That is the latest trend with editing. I know because I'm an English major and have done a ton of editing classes. The Z in american spelling is (in Britain and Australia and quite possibly New Zealand and other countries under British rule) becomes an S. Altho I spell both ways depending on the site I'm on. It's just like adding a U to favourites. Or, Americans dropping the U. I could give you a more detailed explanation but it's boring.

ShyLoVe*

02-05-2006, 08:41 PM

hmm ok then, but what you all dont realise is that, there is not time for all that small stuff, i mean like note taking, its not that hard to take effective notes.....

and ShyLove your bloody lucky you live in Qld you dont have to sit the HSC....

but if you were down here you would realise that from all the work you have to get in before the HSC comes around, you have no time what so ever to do anything else...

i know this coz i just did my HSC last yearand in the last term, we were frantically trying to get everything in on time....
But something as basic as note takeing, you start young, year 8, effective note taking during English class or any class, it doesn't matter as long as it's embedded in the teaching. My French teacher (and english teacher I think somewhere in there) in year 8 and 9 was a total nutcase, she lacked organisational skills and our class room and assessment due dates and what was required for each assessment was never clear, it was just basically a mess. She was such a bad teacher. I loved the strict teachers, even though sometimes I loathed them.

We have to sit the QCS, it's pretty much the same thing as HSC isn't it?

Karwil

02-10-2006, 09:13 PM

When you get to uni note taking doesn't matter so much. Anything that'll be in the exams is in the lecture notes they put on the website. you just print it out.

Matua

02-16-2006, 03:56 PM

There is nothing you can do about people who are ignorant. People are where they are in life because of their ignorance. They choose and accept their economic level.

As much as we can invest in ourselves, which I highly recommend we all do, there would be no change in the world. You cannot fix the world trying to fix with the outside-in approach. Fix the cause and effect will be better. Self-realization of truth, love and purpose are the key. Nothing outside ourselves will help us long-term. If people would discover their "self" a better outlook to life and encourage others to do the same, more people will be happier.

I think there are lots of skills that will help short-term. School system is to train you to work for other people! That system produces mediocrity in our society. Rich breed rich, poor breeds poor. Do you think successful people with businesses teach their kids how to work for other people? Open your eyes and you will see there are many opportunities.

For people to succeed and live a better quality of life, I think they should learn about finance. How to make and save money to invest for their goals. If you can do that, then you would have all that: time management, organization, discipline, a better future. If you are good with money, that manifests itself in the life you will have.

More people need to learn about spirituality, no matter what your religion. People need positive inspiration and examples.

This topic would lead to many ideas. I don't know if any of what I said makes sense...but look into it.

A Pimp Named

02-16-2006, 04:46 PM

shy love your full of ish.

want the real truth?

Lost Soul

02-16-2006, 08:59 PM

thank bush for making no child left behind a big obedience training session instead of something we really need

Maverick

02-17-2006, 12:24 AM

But something as basic as note takeing, you start young, year 8, effective note taking during English class or any class, it doesn't matter as long as it's embedded in the teaching. My French teacher (and english teacher I think somewhere in there) in year 8 and 9 was a total nutcase, she lacked organisational skills and our class room and assessment due dates and what was required for each assessment was never clear, it was just basically a mess. She was such a bad teacher. I loved the strict teachers, even though sometimes I loathed them.

We have to sit the QCS, it's pretty much the same thing as HSC isn't it?

QCS.....whats that????

i thought that you got like a average from all the stuff you did throughout the year......

hmm ok then, guess i was wrong...

Maverick

02-17-2006, 12:27 AM

HSC is no big deal

I was getting drunk throughout the HSC and studied the night before for each of my exams, except 3u maths and i still got 93.85

:krazy:

ok i never said it was a big deal.....or hard...all i was talking about was the work load that you have to do in class, and there is no time for other stuff

ShyLoVe*

02-19-2006, 06:17 PM

QCS - Queensland Core Skills Test

Curiosity87

02-19-2006, 07:10 PM

something does need to be done about the education system in general in America, cutting the budget won't help do anything. All I'm saying is that the more we invest in education the more poourtunity for new typed of classes to form including the ones that teach basic life skills

Karwil

02-19-2006, 08:03 PM

The Australian education system is apparently flawed. If that's so, why are so many of our teachers getting jobs in America?

ShyLoVe*

02-19-2006, 08:18 PM

Are you an Australian?^

Twilight

02-20-2006, 12:15 AM

I could of took Shylove back in time and show you how one school and the other schools can't teach right. Any school teach what they can, change is necessary if we had some good quality and cool teachers.

Darkchild

02-20-2006, 03:10 AM

1 more year and i will be a good quality, cool high school science teacher :)

Karwil

03-01-2006, 09:03 PM

Are you an Australian?^

Yes. And in my classes there are many education students (due to the subject matter) so we get given all sorts of facts and figures regarding the education system also. That's probably because what I'm studying doesn't exactly guarantee a career so most becaome teachers.

Matua

03-02-2006, 08:49 AM

Since when did education bring about success?

If you look at the top 10 richest people in the world, probably only ONE had a degree in college?

Basic human needs are:

1. Independence
2. Significance
3. Purpose
4. Immortality

Corporate America cannot deliver on all four of those needs! DAMN WELL SURE THAT THE EDUCATION DOES NOT TEACH THAT! IF EDUCATION WAS THE SOLUTION, I THINK THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE WELL OFF!

Yet! WE ARE THE RICHEST NATION, BUT ALSO THE MOST IN DEBT! ALL GREAT CIVILIZATIONS WILL FALL. WHY DO YOU THINK THERE IS SO MANY FINANCIAL EDUCATION BEING OFFERED. THERE IS A HUGE CRUSADE TO TRY TO IMPROVE OUR CONDITIONS FINANCIALLY BECAUSE THE 43% OF AMERICANS SPEND MORE THAN THEY EARN! WE USE CREDIT TO SUPPLEMENT TO WHAT WE EARN!

If you guys want to have a quality life, you need to learn about money.