Is Crystal a "truth" serum? - I need advice

[MissTBoneLvr]

So my question is for the people who have done crystal meth, In your opinion, and experience, do people tell more truth after having smoked?? Or if you stay up for a few days?

The reason I ask is this, Sat night I kicked it with my ex-boyfriends little brother. He is 22, I am 27. Me and the brother havent been together for 5 years, and I met lil brother,(J) when he was 16, and I was 19. So we have been close ever since we lived together when me & ex broke up. We both have had our phases of smoking crissy on occasion..

So we start smoking, (I think he has been up for a day or 2 already), hours, we talking about love and sex and stuff. He starts to tell me about a want or experience where you have been good friends with someone for a long time, and then one day you dont know why you see them different, and and you realize your in love with them.. . .etc.. Im thinking in my head, "If this wasnt J saying this, I would analyze it and think he's telling me something." I tell him, no I havent experienced that, and I dont think its even possible"..
Later I catch little flirts to me.. and later, I get my 1st "shotgun" from him.. Hmm, I kinda liked it.. And I'll have all you know, I have NEVER looked at J like more than my "lil brother", and obviously, I know the rest of his family would be pissed at both of us if we started anything, cuz Im in good with the rest of the sisters and mom.. Later, he says Ive always been there for him and shows me the letter I sent to him with $50 when he was in jail, he says Im the only one that sent him $$ and when he scans his mind, its only good, fun memories of us, about how pretty I am/was and he always thought I was da shit.

So, I dont go on forever here, Ill wrap it up..The next night, having a cigarette, he starts talking about wouldnt it be crazy if me and him, Ex would be so mad. Then he says about how Ex treated me, and that he wants to get a new job and get a house with me and live together, and he steps back and says "Im ready to have babies". Im just shocked, Im just standing there, in disbelief that my lil bro is saying this to me, and Im still listening.. He then lets me know that he aint 16 anymore, hes a "grown man" and, uh, rubs against me, and I think he may have tried to kiss me, but I turned my head cuz it was till too weird. Later, more shotguns lead to sleepy time, and we finally go to sleep.

In the morning, I cant remember what we said, but I get the drift he doesnt remember what happened the last 2 days. And he cant believe it when I tell him what happened with us....He blames it on the gak of course, I let him know maybe, he gotta problem if he's gonna be telling his homegirl he's in love with her, that its been fucking with my mind all this time. He concedes that "maybe", he wants that or did want that. .. trails off..and we decide that more than 2 days up on that shit aint cool, and we can go back to being "brother and sister".

So what do you guys think?? Was that his subconcious truth coming out, since he was messed up and tired. I know its a bad thing from the get go, family would be mad, Id probably have to trade my friendship with his sister for one with him, Its a forbidden relationship, is that whats so intriguing?? My problem is, Ive never had a man, confess his love to me like that, talk and seem so happy, that he wanted to get a house and a life, with that special love that comes from being friends first, I didnt even think it was possible, then all this happened and my mind changed, it may be possible, and I got a taste of it, and I liked it..

Do you think the crissy can bring out the truth like it does when your drunk?? Maybe since it would be such a forbidden thing, he sets his feelings aside for love of his brother, etc?

Im just sitting wondering if there is a possible love, if I finally heard some truth..

help!!

[K.Battlezone]

same shit with beer... u drink u start talking..

think of it that way.. it could just be he was horny.. dudes do anything to bang and say anything " oh yea i'll get u a house" then u give it up and he's gone the next day claimin they don't remember shit..

I wouldn't take it too seriously.

[atiba]

Ppl talk sh*t when dey high.

[musclementality]

meth makes one too stupid too lie

[atiba]

^^^^dats prob true.But she said he gave her a "shotgun" wat the hell is dat.

[Floppy]

ha


tIna

[Floppy]

the first night, you are very open and tend to tell the truth or say things you normally wouldnt...

after a couple days with No sleep, that turns into paranoia, and it happens less.....



yw ;)

[MissTBoneLvr]

^^^^dats prob true.But she said he gave her a "shotgun" wat the hell is dat.

a shotgun is blowing smoke into another persons mouth, like you would in CPR.

[Floppy]

lol i like u

[MissTBoneLvr]

thanks rasta, I was hoping to hear from you..

eiether way I still dont get none, ehh?

[Floppy]

thanks rasta, I was hoping to hear from you..

:)


eiether way I still dont get none, ehh?

naw, i believe hes true

[Marlon Wayans]

dont fuck wit meth goddamn, why cant people just smoke weed? tweakers!

[Floppy]

haha



no

[MissTBoneLvr]

:)




naw, i believe hes true

thats what I wanna hear.. :heart:

[Floppy]

i got spun 3 days ago and im still im a lil high...


/blushes

[Marlon Wayans]

^^man i thought you quit? :/ :\

[Floppy]

i did...

:/



and now im back

[Marlon Wayans]

not hating but why dont you sign up for a 30 day program, you can beat that shit, whats stronger you or tha meth?

[R.I.P.]

meth can make you horny.

[Doctor Cox]

It doesnt matter if he likes you or not because you are going nowhere with your life smoking that shit. Get treatment, it doesnt make you weak, it actually makes you strong to try to make something out of what is currently nothing.

[Floppy]

lol


i like it

[RX King]

=/@These people giving adviceon a subject they know dick about....

Yeah meth is horrible, but coming off meth is worse, it doesn't make you weak if you can't kick it, it makes you human.

And to the main topic, It can go either way, dude could have just wanted some ass, but also feelings grow really strong at times between friends, especially long time friends, so it' 50/50 on if the dude was telling the truth or not.

[MissTBoneLvr]

It doesnt matter if he likes you or not because you are going nowhere with your life smoking that shit. Get treatment, it doesnt make you weak, it actually makes you strong to try to make something out of what is currently nothing.

Well, I dont condone doing the shit to anyone, and I would tell anyone never to try it, but I havent done it it over a year, until that time, and a once in a while recreation isnt gonna make me a loser or a tweeker. I actually have a full time job/career and pay my rent & bills and everything.

Let me also clarify Dude did not get any ass, nor did he try very well, if that was on his mind.

Its not like I wanna ask him about it again and be on the jock, but its not something I can just dismiss as babble, thats why Im asking about it guys!

This is what girls do, we analyze.

[atiba]

If u like the man,ask him bout the conversation.All the second guessin aint gonna get u anywhere so jus confront him bout it.It can either go two ways 1)He was high and talkin sh*t or 2)he was sincere and jus used the meth to build the courage.Whatever happens it aint no skin off ur back.

[MissTBoneLvr]

If u like the man,ask him bout the conversation.All the second guessin aint gonna get u anywhere so jus confront him bout it.It can either go two ways 1)He was high and talkin sh*t or 2)he was sincere and jus used the meth to build the courage.Whatever happens it aint no skin off ur back.

Wouldnt that be the easiest..but yeah, this is a 7 year friendship, so it is a skin off my back. Im guessing he didnt "remember" because he shouldnt have said anything..., Im his brothers ex girlfriend, maybe he wants to but cant..

I think Im going with he was being truthful, but because of our situation, he doesnt want to act on anything because of the drama..

[Doctor Cox]

Trying to talk to me like *I* dont know anything about it? Yes Meth will make your whole body go into a complete state of anguish and undeniable pain.. So keep doing it to avoid that? Thats being fucking weak. Clear your head.

I dont care what full time job you have, you dont have your full potential ripping your life to shreds slowly with that. I work in Detroit, I see all kinds of longterm methheads whom only used "on occasion.."

So what you are telling me, you fucking clown (Frozzen Souls) is that due to long time alcoholism, an alcoholic should avoid treatment and detox due to the onsent of Delerium Tremens? Asshole.

[MissTBoneLvr]

ryde or die, i aint trying to say you dont know shit, thats why I was asking you guys...
Im only saying I do it on occasion, and I dont think thats a problem..
thanks for your advice.

[Doctor Cox]

It is a problem, and I was talking to FrozzenSouls, I apologize for not stating that until later in the post, leaving it to be quite misleading.

It is indeed a problem, 9 times out of 10 ANY drug will start out once in a while.. Thats just how it is, now will you advance to dependency? Hell if I know, but I do know, that when you get older, you will realize why it is a problem no matter what.

[RX King]

Trying to talk to me like *I* dont know anything about it? Yes Meth will make your whole body go into a complete state of anguish and undeniable pain.. So keep doing it to avoid that? Thats being fucking weak. Clear your head.

I dont care what full time job you have, you dont have your full potential ripping your life to shreds slowly with that. I work in Detroit, I see all kinds of longterm methheads whom only used "on occasion.."

So what you are telling me, you fucking clown (Frozzen Souls) is that due to long time alcoholism, an alcoholic should avoid treatment and detox due to the onsent of Delerium Tremens? Asshole.

You SEE the effects of someone who's used meth, You have never FELT what it's like to come off Meth. So you can't sit there and lecture people on something you have no experience with or real knowledge about.

And Cmon Alcohol being like meth? in any way? you're arguements are horrible.

[R.I.P.]

Meth is a serious problem in this country. I smoked the shit for about two years. I've been sober from it for almost 2.5 years. I hope i never do it again.

[Doctor Cox]

Oh im soooo sorry frozzen souls that Ive NEVER smoked Meth, shame on me eh?? My arguments are terrible? Research Delerium Tremens dumbass... and expereince instant death as opposed to self pity for being a fucking retard.

[K.Battlezone]

I'm not going to come off as an asshole..

YES I AM..

Listen retard, there's fuckin rules on this board. I've seen you parade around here like you're mr fucking know it all. Either you follow the rules , behave , and stop treating people like you're above them , or you're gone from here. I don't give a fuck if someone didn't send you a cd or whatever. I'm just telling you.

You want to be a dick , go to pointless. Everything is allowed in there. You don't talk to people like you talked to Frozzensouls. He was trying to make a point and you want to be a dick about it.

[RX King]

Oh im soooo sorry frozzen souls that Ive NEVER smoked Meth, shame on me eh?? My arguments are terrible? Research Delerium Tremens dumbass... and expereince instant death as opposed to self pity for being a fucking retard.

1. Spell Delirium right if you wanna make a point by using it.

2. I'll quote with sources so you can take the foot out of your mouth and put it in your ass instead.

* In the US: Only 5% of patients with ethanol withdrawal progress to DT.

Heres the full article : Click Me (http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic123.htm)

Now ok I'll give you the fact that they don't even keep stats on people dying from Meth Withdrawal, which I wasn't even argueing in the first place. You can't compare alcohol withdrawal with meth withdrawal, that was the original arguement, quit reaching for anything to make a case.

Meth Facts : Click (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/drugs/crystalmeth.html)



The withdrawal symptoms, especially the depression and physical agony, are reported by addiction counsellors to be worse than heroin or cocaine, and often addicts will drop out of recovery programs.

Vs

Click (http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/withdrawal/a/aa000125a.htm)

The good news for those who are extremely alcohol dependent, and who wish to quit drinking, all of these symptoms can be alleviated and even eliminated with proper medical treatment.

So other than the 5% chance of death IF you even expeirence Delirium Tremens, you're perfectly fine with medical treatment. Whereas with Meth people more commonly drop out of the program than even try because of the withdrawal effects.

So like I said, You're arguements are horrible, because we're talking about the withdrawal effects of a normal meth user against a normal alcohol user, not a five percent chance.

[K.Battlezone]

^very nice points

[itfeeds]

KB your right cuz. Any drug induced convo reveals all kinda useless info and sometimes some Bullshit that keeps ya thinking. Yall keep smokin that chicken blood and you'll have no soul.... cause you smoked it away. Just wait until 3 yrs from now and your a full time toker and ya find yourself standing over some innocent fuck's body wandering how the hell did I just cut his or her throat for that paper. Shit will get ya in a choke hold like I don't know what. I've lost few decent people from that shit.You wanna take something that will fuck you up and expand your mind try ACID in any form it's truly useful. But as any drug people can abuse it. ~parinoia will destroy ya make me blow you away~KrAzey

[Doctor Cox]

Damn King Battlezone slapped my face and the stick came outta my ass, I have been out of control havent I? I should go back into the woodwork like ive been basically the whole time...

hahaha burnnned, you got me FrozzenSouls, no sarcasim intended, ill admit when I just got every little bit of my argument stuffed...

Perhaps I should research more, thank you for putting me in my place, I deserved that.

[K.Battlezone]

Just post in a respectful manner. There's a place for everything around here sir. I'm a jerkoff in pointless.. everyone is.. you wanna do the same be our guest. I apologize for my comments but there are rules .

[Suspect]

crystal aint like beer

LMAO @ how you said you did shotguns of crystal n went to sleep..LMAO

but i dunno

when u shotgunned it with him..did your lips touch??

how did u do it?

[soulgatherer]

same shit with beer... u drink u start talking..

think of it that way.. it could just be he was horny.. dudes do anything to bang and say anything " oh yea i'll get u a house" then u give it up and he's gone the next day claimin they don't remember shit..

I wouldn't take it too seriously.

YESSSS.....ha ha. I was thinking along those same exact lines. Yeah, never take seriously what a guy says to you. "I want to buy a home and have kids......" That's pretty crazy. don't believe it or go for it, remember this dude was smoking crystal method, not a good choice for a husband and father.

[JuiceMan]

In regards to any drug, enough of one substance is enough to alter the brain.

[MissTBoneLvr]

well guys, heres the update, cuz i know we all really care. . .hahha

Me and dude are remaining "friends". . .as we were..He soberly throws out a flirt here and there so thats weird, but maybe Im just extra sensitive or analytic..

thanks for your help, you guys got me to be able to just chill out, instead of freaking out..

xoxox

[atiba]

^^^^^ :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

[Marlon Wayans]

Frozzen, good points, but i dont think meth is more addictive then herion, but i have no idea, but from what ive seen herion is tha most addictive.

[skaNo]

Frozzen, good points, but i dont think meth is more addictive then herion, but i have no idea, but from what ive seen herion is tha most addictive.

yeah tar will fuck u up

[DramA]

Fuck Meth