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yallknowdatg
11-02-2003, 10:30 PM
Iraq's occupiers suspected of losing touch with
reality

A culture of secrecy has descended upon the Anglo-American occupation
authorities in Iraq.

by Robert Fisk
September 21, 2003

They will give no tally
of the Iraqi civilian lives lost each day.

They will not comment on the killing by an
American soldier of one of their own Iraqi interpreters on Thursday – he was shot dead in front
of the Italian diplomat who was official adviser to the new Iraqi ministry of culture – and they
cannot explain how General Sultan Hashim Ahmed, the former Iraqi minister of defence and a
potential war criminal, should now be described by one of the most senior US officers in Iraq as
"a man of honour and integrity."

On Thursday, in a three-stage ambush that destroyed
an American military truck and a Humvee jeep almost a hundred miles west of Baghdad, a
minimum of three US soldiers were reported dead and three wounded – local Iraqis claimed the
fatalities numbered eight – yet within hours, the occupation authorities were saying that exactly
the same number were killed and wounded in a sophisticated ambush on Americans in Tikrit.


Only two soldiers were wounded in the earlier attack, they said.

And for the
second day running yesterday, the mobile telephone system operated by MCI for the
occupation forces collapsed, effectively isolating the 'Coalition Provisional Authority' from its
ministries and from US forces.

An increasing number of journalists in Baghdad now
suspect that US proconsul Paul Bremmer and his hundreds of assistants ensconced in the
heavily guarded former presidential palace of Saddam Hussein in the capital, have simply lost
touch with reality.

Although an enquiry was promised yesterday into the shooting of the
Iraqi interpreter, details of the incident suggest that US troops now have carte blanche to open
fire at Iraqi civilian cars on the mere suspicion that their occupants may be hostile.


Pietro Cordone, the Italian diplomat whom Bremmer appointed special adviser to the
Iraqi ministry of culture, was travelling to Mosul with his wife Mirella when their car approached
an American convoy.

According to Mr Cordone, a soldier manning a machine gun in
the rear vehicle of the convoy appeared to signal to Mr Cordone's driver that he should not
attempt to overtake.

The driver did not do so but the soldier then fired a single shot at
the car, which penetrated the windscreen and hit the interpreter who was sitting in the front
passenger seat.

A few minutes later, the man died in Mr Cordone's arms.

The
Italian diplomat later returned to Baghdad.

Yet the incident was only reported because
Mr Cordone happened to be in the car.

Every day, Iraqi civilians are wounded or shot
dead by US troops in Iraq.

Just five days ago, a woman and her child were killed in
Baghdad by an American soldier after US forces opened fire at a wedding party that was
shooting into the air.

A 14-year old boy was reported killed in a similar incident two days
ago.

Then on Thursday afternoon, several Iraqi civilians were wounded by US troops
after the Americans were ambushed outside the town of Khaldiya. At least two American
vehicles were destroyed and eyewitnesses described seeing body parts on the road after the
ambush.

Yet 12 hours later, the authorities said that the Americans had suffered just
two wounded – even though at least three Americans were first reported to have died and
witnesses said the death toll was as high as eight.

Then came the ambush at Tikrit –
almost identical if the authorities are to be believed -- in which exactly the same casualty toll
was produced: three dead and two wounded

On this occasion, the incident was partly
captured on videofilm.

During an arms raid around Saddam's home town, guerrillas
attacked not only the American raiders but two of their bases along the Tigress river. It was, an
American spokesman said, a "coordinated" attack on soldiers of the US 4th Infantry Division.
Up to 40 men of "military age" were then arrested.

In what must be one of the more
extraordinary episodes of the day, General Sultan Ahmad, the former Iraqi ministry of defence,
handed himself over to Major General David Petraeus – in charge of the north of Iraq – after the
American commander had sent him a letter describing him as "a man of honour and integrity."
In return for his surrender – or so says the Kurdish intermediary who arranged his handover to
US forces – the Americans had promised to remove his name form the list of 55 most-wanted
Iraqis around Saddam.

I last saw the portly General Ahmed in April, brandishing a
gold-painted Kalashnikov in the Baghdad ministry of information and vowing eternal war
against his country's American invaders.

It was Ahmed who persuaded now retired
General Norman Schwarzkopf to allow the defeated Iraqi forces to use military helicopters on
"official business" after the 1991 US-Iraqi ceasefire agreed at Safwan.

These
helicopters were then used in the brutal repression of the Shia Muslim and Kurdish rebellions
against Saddam which had been encouraged by President George Bush's father.


Afterwards, there was much talk of indicting General Ahmed as a war criminal, but US
General Petraeus seems to have thrown that idea in to the waste-bin.

His quite
extraordinary letter to Ahmed – which preceded the Iraqi general's surrender and was revealed
by the Associated Press news agency – described the potential war criminal as "the most
respected senior military leader currently residing in Mosul" and promised that he would be
treated with "the utmost dignity and respect."

In the same letter – which may be studied
by war crimes investigators with a mixture of awe and disbelief -- the US officer said that
"although we find ourselves on different sides of this war, we do share common traits.


"As military men, we follow the orders of our superiors. We may not necessarily agree
with the politics and bureaucracy, but we understand unity of command and supporting our
leaders in a common and just cause."

Thus far have the Americans now gone in
appeasing the men who may have influence over the Iraqi guerrillas now killing US soldiers in
Iraq.

What is presumably supposed to be seen as a gesture of compromise is much
more likely to be understood as a sign of military weakness – which it clearly is – and history will
have to decide what would have happened if similar letters had been sent to Nazi military
leaders before the German surrender in 1945.

Historians will also have to ruminate
upon the implications of the meaning of "supporting our leaders in a common and just cause."
Are Saddam and Mr Bush supposed to be these 'leaders'?


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?thesection=news&thesubsection=&sto
ryID=3524590&reportID=562588

Keyser Soze
11-04-2003, 08:08 AM
im sorry , but why would you
belive shit like this wich shows no proof any of this is happening anywhere.. seems you always
wanna believe what ever is negative only.. even though its fake lies or just conspericies, or
stupid theories.. i say stop posting bullshit articles until shit can be proved.. then you always
have some gay fuck on here saying " good news " "nice article" shit anyone can write false
shit..

down71
11-04-2003, 08:56 AM
If you have a problem with the
article all u have to do is express ourself clearly and like u have sense. Easy as
that!

No need for fuck you, blah blah....disprove the article with a clear opinion then
people will understand where u r coming from but when I see u talkin fuck u and this it seems u
have a persinal problem with yallknowdatg and not the article.

Come on brother u better
than that

no need to get personal at all.....

yallknowdatg
11-04-2003, 01:43 PM
He can't help it. He has nothing
to say.

This isn't anything new.

Keyser Soze
11-04-2003, 02:19 PM
If you have a problem with the article all u have to do is
express ourself clearly and like u have sense. Easy as that!

No need for fuck you, blah
blah....disprove the article with a clear opinion then people will understand where u r coming
from but when I see u talkin fuck u and this it seems u have a persinal problem with
yallknowdatg and not the article.

Come on brother u better than that

no need to
get personal at all.....


ummm yeah.. you must have read
another post.. cuz i didnt say fuck you to anyone on here or put anyone down..
nice of you
to express your goofyness though

yallknowdatg
11-04-2003, 11:57 PM
I really hope he starts reading
and understanding what is being said here.

Keyser Soze
11-05-2003, 01:35 PM
Keyser I`m not gonna attack u man, but I am gonna
ask u a question. How exactly do u know its BS? The media and government feed us more
BS in this country then all of the opinionated, theoretical, or possible factual articles combined.
I`m not saying it is completely true, but with some of the lies our own media and government
have told us in recent months I would bet that it is. The government has been feeding us lies
years upon years to cover there ass, and I bet they still are. If u ever watch some international
news it always seems to be a different # of US soldiers dead then our media. Channel 366 on
direct TV is the channel u should watch not, FOX or MSNBC. I orignally heard that 2 soldiers
were killed in that attack from our news outlets, while International news were reporting 3 or
possibly more. Our News in this country is regulated by our government and the FCC. Guess
who regulates our news? I`ll tell ya, its the FCC who just happens to be headed by Colin
Powells son. Ain't that a fucking coincidence. Its like this administration has all the right
people in all the right places to cover even the deepest darkest shit up. Enough with my
rambling.


i never said it was bullshit, i said how can you
believe shit like this that never has any proof , and not belive other shit, I was just pointing out
that YALLNOLIFEG always only beleives anything that is negative or sounds like a conspirecy,
dont put words in my mouth

yallknowdatg
11-05-2003, 04:16 PM
Who said I believed everything in
here? I stay skeptical... even when it comes to this.

Please keyser... you assume way
too much about me when you need to realize you really don't know anything about me.
I
post what I post to show the other side more than just to show how I feel. Why don't you ask
me how I see things?

As for this article. I beleive most of it... simply because I've been
watching Fox News stumbling trying to gain some momentum on keeping this war on Iraq thing
alive and well with the public. It's actually hilarious. I'm pretty sure this did happen though as
most news outlets reported the same things, and the media here couldnt do much in hiding it.
They too must admit the violence is getting crazy. You gotta listen closely man. The truth is
always there.... just hidden in a heap of bullshit.


And one more time... don't say
things like 'Yallknowdat always beleives in conspiracies and anything negative...' when you
don't know anything about what I believe. You just speculate and assume and call names.
Thats the only thing you are good at and its sad.
And, by the way, where is the conspiracy
here? Is anything that I post os that you oppose conspiracy? You just spit out a lot of rhetoric,
no decent argument.